Turbo Miata, How Fast? (Trap Speeds)
09-19-2011, 12:15 PM
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This kinda shows what im talking about, watch that SS launch, even from a roll. If they were close in power that gap would be hard to overcome, obviously the H/C Z06 is gonna walk a intake exhaust LS1, Im just trying to illustrate that tranny setup can make a big difference.
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09-19-2011, 02:14 PM
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An AWD drivetrain will usually lose between 25% and 35% between the flywheel and the wheels. There's a lot of mass to be rotated. That's going to be somewhere between 200 and 230 horsepowers actually reaching the ground. So he's off by a bit, but not much. If a WRX with driver, passenger, and fuel weighs in around 3200lb and makes 220hp, that's 14.5 lb/hp. If his Miata's making 150hp and weighs around 2200lb with driver and fuel, that's 14.6 lb/hp. So I'd say his claims are feasible.
Hes exaggerating how "slow" sti's are and how "fast" his n/a miata is....
The difference between 230whp and 175 whp, I'd say he was off by much, not a bit.
Nitrodann I hate to break this to you, but I highly doubt your n/a miata beating wrx's story, unless they are some poorly running tired cars driven terribly. There is no way an n/a miata, regardless of bolt ons, will be beating a properly running, well driven wrx.
at 200whp a miata is quick, not fast. its quick enough to take down your average wrx and possibly bone stock sti. a wrx with sti bolt on goodies and a stage2 sti both will trap in the 106-110 range easy and you'll need about 240whp to take those down in a miata.
at 200whp a miata is quick, not fast. its quick enough to take down your average wrx and possibly bone stock sti. a wrx with sti bolt on goodies and a stage2 sti both will trap in the 106-110 range easy and you'll need about 240whp to take those down in a miata.
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09-19-2011, 08:40 PM
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09-20-2011, 12:59 AM
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Yes the thread does suck.
Ill be more specific here...
My car is as light as you can get without spending money on carbon panels and still having a place to sit and a wheel to steer with.. Its probably 850kg. Its not an 1100kg NB8B with full interior a stereo, PS, A/C and a rollbar.
Its also got 275* cams with 10.5mm lift, 10.5:1 compression, E85, Good intake, good headers and 2.5 inch exhaust, COPS etc, with a 6 speed and flat shifting, I said It beats WRXs. I never said I flog STIs.
We are just having a standard internet theoretical numbers argument here, but I think we can all agree that a 200whp miata holds its own against the regular sort of subaru/mitsubishi stuff you see around town.
Up a winding mountain road with a decent driver and the sort of suspension most of us have... Its a walk in the park.
IN MY EXPERIENCE...
Dann
Ill be more specific here...
My car is as light as you can get without spending money on carbon panels and still having a place to sit and a wheel to steer with.. Its probably 850kg. Its not an 1100kg NB8B with full interior a stereo, PS, A/C and a rollbar.
Its also got 275* cams with 10.5mm lift, 10.5:1 compression, E85, Good intake, good headers and 2.5 inch exhaust, COPS etc, with a 6 speed and flat shifting, I said It beats WRXs. I never said I flog STIs.
We are just having a standard internet theoretical numbers argument here, but I think we can all agree that a 200whp miata holds its own against the regular sort of subaru/mitsubishi stuff you see around town.
Up a winding mountain road with a decent driver and the sort of suspension most of us have... Its a walk in the park.
IN MY EXPERIENCE...
Dann
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09-20-2011, 08:29 AM
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Yes the thread does suck.
Ill be more specific here...
My car is as light as you can get without spending money on carbon panels and still having a place to sit and a wheel to steer with.. Its probably 850kg. Its not an 1100kg NB8B with full interior a stereo, PS, A/C and a rollbar.
Its also got 275* cams with 10.5mm lift, 10.5:1 compression, E85, Good intake, good headers and 2.5 inch exhaust, COPS etc, with a 6 speed and flat shifting, I said It beats WRXs. I never said I flog STIs.
We are just having a standard internet theoretical numbers argument here, but I think we can all agree that a 200whp miata holds its own against the regular sort of subaru/mitsubishi stuff you see around town.
Up a winding mountain road with a decent driver and the sort of suspension most of us have... Its a walk in the park.
IN MY EXPERIENCE...
Dann
Ill be more specific here...
My car is as light as you can get without spending money on carbon panels and still having a place to sit and a wheel to steer with.. Its probably 850kg. Its not an 1100kg NB8B with full interior a stereo, PS, A/C and a rollbar.
Its also got 275* cams with 10.5mm lift, 10.5:1 compression, E85, Good intake, good headers and 2.5 inch exhaust, COPS etc, with a 6 speed and flat shifting, I said It beats WRXs. I never said I flog STIs.
We are just having a standard internet theoretical numbers argument here, but I think we can all agree that a 200whp miata holds its own against the regular sort of subaru/mitsubishi stuff you see around town.
Up a winding mountain road with a decent driver and the sort of suspension most of us have... Its a walk in the park.
IN MY EXPERIENCE...
Dann
Don't get me wrong, I'm not putting down your car just saying its nowhere near 200whp therefore it really won't put up much of a fight against MOST wrx's on the road.
Unless you specifically only mean 02-05 stock 2L wrx's and nothing else. On my 05 wrx with turboback and tune I ran 13.2@101. On my 07 wrx with the same simple setup I ran low 13's at 102. Bone stock it ran 13.9@96. My current forester xt (heavier than a wrx with same motor but better gearing) runs 13.6@95 bone stock. With exhaust that number improves drastically. And we're talking about 2 parts and a tune. If you really start getting into the mods it absolutely makes it a non-comparison.
This thread is kinda interesting except for some of the info is just way inflated.
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09-20-2011, 09:32 AM
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I'm not going to argue with you on this bullshit. You're like the redheaded bastard stepchild on this forum: your ways of doing things are always very different and unique (and I'm not saying that's a bad thing), but its not the norm, and what you've acomplished in an n/a miata is rarely ever replicated or done by others.
Again, I'm not hating on you, but I'll tell you guys what:
Nitrodann, take your car to the track AS IS without any changes to it from the way you run it on the street. Come back and post up slips. If you truly trap 100 the way it sits I'll shut my mouth and wont question your claims. You have my word. I can dig up the slips to my wrx's if need be. I had 4 of my own and our shop specializes in subarus/evos so I get to see what they do nearly every weekend.
Again, I'm not hating on you, but I'll tell you guys what:
Nitrodann, take your car to the track AS IS without any changes to it from the way you run it on the street. Come back and post up slips. If you truly trap 100 the way it sits I'll shut my mouth and wont question your claims. You have my word. I can dig up the slips to my wrx's if need be. I had 4 of my own and our shop specializes in subarus/evos so I get to see what they do nearly every weekend.
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09-20-2011, 10:41 AM
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I dont go drag racing my car every weekend. In fact Ive never taken my NA to the strip. Ive only been in my unregistered dedicated track cars.
All im saying is that at the lights, and your typical 2nd 3rd 4th gear pull up the main road my car has beaten many a turbo subaru. And that satisfies me.
But as for the take it to the strip 'how I drive it everyday', I do genuinely drive it to work and the shops every day with no windows, not even a hardtop window.
Its about as stripped as 'the red beast' is.
I dont care for drag racing, and I almost regret posting in this thread now.
But I think what most people are forgetting here is that when I say my car is light, well its 600lbs lighter than many NBs.
Dann
All im saying is that at the lights, and your typical 2nd 3rd 4th gear pull up the main road my car has beaten many a turbo subaru. And that satisfies me.
But as for the take it to the strip 'how I drive it everyday', I do genuinely drive it to work and the shops every day with no windows, not even a hardtop window.
Its about as stripped as 'the red beast' is.
I dont care for drag racing, and I almost regret posting in this thread now.
But I think what most people are forgetting here is that when I say my car is light, well its 600lbs lighter than many NBs.
Dann
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09-20-2011, 10:58 AM
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i like that you're being literal here. an average human being, when really trucking, can actually walk at approximately 4mph. it's tough, but it has been done. even by someone like me with an inseam that rivals many midgets.
some may argue that 100mph isn't that fast, or it's not "walking" anything. however, you've used sound logic to prove your point, by comparison to actual walking speeds of the average human being. i salute you.
/thread, obviously. your logic is sound.
some may argue that 100mph isn't that fast, or it's not "walking" anything. however, you've used sound logic to prove your point, by comparison to actual walking speeds of the average human being. i salute you.
/thread, obviously. your logic is sound.
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09-20-2011, 11:49 AM
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LOL devin mac,
Let me be clear that I was refering to walking as figure of speach. One that is commonly used amongst the racing scene.
It means that the faster car is clearly overpowering the lesser car. Walking would not be the same as beating an opponent because of a missed shift, bad start, or red light.
Let me be clear that I was refering to walking as figure of speach. One that is commonly used amongst the racing scene.
It means that the faster car is clearly overpowering the lesser car. Walking would not be the same as beating an opponent because of a missed shift, bad start, or red light.
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09-20-2011, 01:39 PM
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I ran my car last weekend and trapped 101mph. No idea what it's making at the wheels but based on weight & trap a few online HP calculators suggest somewhere in the 170whp area. 12psi on a big 16g with conservative timing.
A few weeks prior I ran my friend with a basically stock Evo8 (had 272 cams, nothing else) from a 25mph roll and had him by a car at 90. Arguably the cams hurt him down low. This was on a couple more pounds of boost, before my clutch started looking at early retirement.
A few weeks prior I ran my friend with a basically stock Evo8 (had 272 cams, nothing else) from a 25mph roll and had him by a car at 90. Arguably the cams hurt him down low. This was on a couple more pounds of boost, before my clutch started looking at early retirement.
My ~300 WHP Evo8 (mostly stock with a decent tune on 93 AKI) trapped 108 MPH. Interestingly, that was nearly identical to my ~300 WHP C5 Corvette but with a better ET due to lower 60' times.
Go buy a Pbox and hit your test stip and report back with some data.
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