wat size tyres should i use
04-10-2008, 07:26 AM
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Here are the same wheels (16x8 et20) on an NA:
Looks about perfect to me, tires not really stretched, but fills out the wheel wells perfectly. I don't know what tire size that is though.
The reason I'm looking to pick up the +20s is because the next lowest offset i can find is a +34. I think that with a 10 mil spacer is about perfect for Miatas, but spacers sketch me out.
If all I cared about was a lightweight wheel with max grip potential, i'd get the 6UL 15x9. Unfortunately, cost and a certain level of aesthetic appeal do factor into my decision.
Looks about perfect to me, tires not really stretched, but fills out the wheel wells perfectly. I don't know what tire size that is though.
The reason I'm looking to pick up the +20s is because the next lowest offset i can find is a +34. I think that with a 10 mil spacer is about perfect for Miatas, but spacers sketch me out.
If all I cared about was a lightweight wheel with max grip potential, i'd get the 6UL 15x9. Unfortunately, cost and a certain level of aesthetic appeal do factor into my decision.
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04-10-2008, 12:00 PM
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Looks like a 205, and it will rub the everliving **** out of the fenders as soon as you compress the suspension.
Listen very carefully: My 15x8 +40s with 225/45s and a bunch of camber (2.3 front, 2.5 rear) rub the fenders under high load, partially because of the wide tire, partially because my car is dumped. Do not tell me that a 16x8 +20 won't ******* rub.
Listen very carefully: My 15x8 +40s with 225/45s and a bunch of camber (2.3 front, 2.5 rear) rub the fenders under high load, partially because of the wide tire, partially because my car is dumped. Do not tell me that a 16x8 +20 won't ******* rub.
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04-10-2008, 01:28 PM
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Tire compound and size depends on the application. As was discussed the OP is talking about drifting, not grip. Having low offset is a benefit for clearing the A-arms at full steering lock. As well as the changes in scrub radius actually helps the steering self center without needing alot of caster.
He likely doesn't need a 225/45-16, and that width may cause interference issues with the fenders or A-arms. I would first try running a better compound before sticking a wider tire if front grip was needed. Wider tires are expensive, and need to be replaced more frequently because of the wear rates they experience through drifting. I would reccomend using lower priced tires and using the saved money on seat time.
As far as streching, I'm not a fan of it, but sometimes it's needed as the wheels that are affordable and in a low offset are often 8". Again clearance is a concern. Also in the front at least, having constant sidewall tension does increase steering feel and turn in sharpness, both of which are desireable. Especially on cheap tires.
He likely doesn't need a 225/45-16, and that width may cause interference issues with the fenders or A-arms. I would first try running a better compound before sticking a wider tire if front grip was needed. Wider tires are expensive, and need to be replaced more frequently because of the wear rates they experience through drifting. I would reccomend using lower priced tires and using the saved money on seat time.
As far as streching, I'm not a fan of it, but sometimes it's needed as the wheels that are affordable and in a low offset are often 8". Again clearance is a concern. Also in the front at least, having constant sidewall tension does increase steering feel and turn in sharpness, both of which are desireable. Especially on cheap tires.
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04-10-2008, 02:05 PM
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As far as streching, I'm not a fan of it, but sometimes it's needed as the wheels that are affordable and in a low offset are often 8". Again clearance is a concern. Also in the front at least, having constant sidewall tension does increase steering feel and turn in sharpness, both of which are desireable. Especially on cheap tires.
Let's be honest with ourselves here: People use low-offset wheels because they think it looks kewl. That's great for them, there's an entire forum for those guys. We don't like it, and this isn't Miata.net so we don't have to tolerate it. Forgive me if I don't think using tires that don't fit your wheels in order to make the wheels that don't fit your car work is a good idea.
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04-10-2008, 02:17 PM
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??? No it won't, if you have a correct offset (+35 to +40ish)
Yeah, because NOBODY makes a proper-offset, inexpensive 16x7. Let's be honest with ourselves here: People use low-offset wheels because they think it looks kewl. That's great for them, there's an entire forum for those guys. We don't like it, and this isn't Miata.net so we don't have to tolerate it.
Forgive me if I don't think using tires that don't fit your wheels in order to make the wheels that don't fit your car work is a good idea.
Yeah, because NOBODY makes a proper-offset, inexpensive 16x7.
Let's be honest with ourselves here: People use low-offset wheels because they think it looks kewl. That's great for them, there's an entire forum for those guys. We don't like it, and this isn't Miata.net so we don't have to tolerate it. Forgive me if I don't think using tires that don't fit your wheels in order to make the wheels that don't fit your car work is a good idea.
I've had A-arm interference at full lock with 205's on 15X6.5" +40 wheels. The tire sidewall touched the A-arm and started polishing the tire. I've had 225's on stock wheels started cutting the tires. You blindly not liking it because of the way it looks is just as bad as someone buying them based on looks alone. Believe what you want, there is some function behind it, and not everyone makes their purchase decisions based on OMGJDMKEWL.
Forgive me if some people have different ideas of what fun is when driving.
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04-10-2008, 02:24 PM
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That's totally not appropriate. I didn't even make that outrageous of a claim, but you definitely disrespected me, and the entire turbo miata community on that one. I don't care if you just know that much about the subject, or you are just ignorant to the facts that are in the field that I am an expert on, but come on. Don't bullshit the fact that I know more about this than you do. Just come straight and say you don't know what you're talking about, and we'll be cool. Seriously? This is ******* bullshit, you shouldn't get so riled up about such trivial things, but if you do, you're a ******* ------. Go home and make love to your ******* real doll. You don't know **** about what we're talking about and you need to ******* leave this thread right now. Buy a bullet and rent a gun, because sir, you are finished in life.
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04-10-2008, 02:42 PM
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I actually like drifting. I don't like stretched tires and moronic offsets. I'm intelligent enough to separate the two.
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04-10-2008, 02:58 PM
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Both 91s I've owned have worked the same. The first had a power steering rack the second doesn't. I'd speculate the it's rare because few people actually drift their cars. The 225's were 14" BFG R1's I had for autocross.
I don't doubt the increased track width allows faster snap-back of the wheel, and I have plenty of experience with wagging the ***-end on-track (albeit usually unintentionally). Having said that, you really think that MOST of the people buying +0 offset wheels know the first ******* thing about how caster affects steering feel/weight and return speed, let alone scrub radius?
Does it matter that some people don't understand it? Should we not reccomend something that works for the OP's stated goals, just because others arrived at the same conclusion based on fashion?
I actually like drifting. I don't like stretched tires and moronic offsets. I'm intelligent enough to separate the two.
I'm blown away by your great insurmountable intelect, and breadth of experience with drifting vehicle setup.
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04-10-2008, 06:24 PM
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Holy ****. I just opened up a can of ******* *******. What a pleasant forum for a newb.
Look guys: I bought this miata for a summertime/track toy. If I'm lucky, I'll get a grand total of 6 track days in this summer. My grand total of legitimate driving experience amounts to one autocross and one track day. I don't honestly think I'll be maximizing my grip, regardless of whether i've got 205s that don't rub and look 'mad-tyte-jdm-driftr-*******' or 225s that rub and look 'i'm-legit-turbo-miata-track-pro-*******'.
Fact of the matter is, good lightweight 15x8 +38s run $200 bucks a wheel, and I happened to find a set of wheels that I like for half that. So what they're 16s, and so what they're et20? I'll throw some cheap narrow tires on there, get better turn in and improved steering feel, and enjoy my 2nd through 8th track days. I'm honestly not going to know the difference. And 95% of my driving time for this car will be off-track anyway, in which case it matters even less.
So, how about you guys answer the question politely without all your preconceived stereotype bullshit? If you can't do that, maybe I will go over and hangout with the retards on clubroadster; they may be stupid, but at least they're open-minded.
Here it is again:
"I've got some 16x8 et20s and a lowered car. I'm going to roll fenders. What size tire can I fit without rubbing?"
Look guys: I bought this miata for a summertime/track toy. If I'm lucky, I'll get a grand total of 6 track days in this summer. My grand total of legitimate driving experience amounts to one autocross and one track day. I don't honestly think I'll be maximizing my grip, regardless of whether i've got 205s that don't rub and look 'mad-tyte-jdm-driftr-*******' or 225s that rub and look 'i'm-legit-turbo-miata-track-pro-*******'.
Fact of the matter is, good lightweight 15x8 +38s run $200 bucks a wheel, and I happened to find a set of wheels that I like for half that. So what they're 16s, and so what they're et20? I'll throw some cheap narrow tires on there, get better turn in and improved steering feel, and enjoy my 2nd through 8th track days. I'm honestly not going to know the difference. And 95% of my driving time for this car will be off-track anyway, in which case it matters even less.
So, how about you guys answer the question politely without all your preconceived stereotype bullshit? If you can't do that, maybe I will go over and hangout with the retards on clubroadster; they may be stupid, but at least they're open-minded.
Here it is again:
"I've got some 16x8 et20s and a lowered car. I'm going to roll fenders. What size tire can I fit without rubbing?"
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