2012 F1 Formula One thread
06-27-2012, 12:04 AM
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Personally I think Hamilton's crash was totally his fault. His tires were gone, he had no grip. He had no grip. There was no question Maldonado was going to pass him. Hamilton was simply blocking the track as much as possible.
He shoved Maldonado wide, which is fine, hard nosed racing and all. People get shoved wide all the time. But then he cut the inside line and shut the door and Pastor had no where to go, really, except into him. Pastor was going to come back onto track, both because he was not going to roll over and concede the position, and because there's some kerbage they put in there to keep people from cutting through. Hamilton got a DNF instead of 4th. Nice strategic move!
He shoved Maldonado wide, which is fine, hard nosed racing and all. People get shoved wide all the time. But then he cut the inside line and shut the door and Pastor had no where to go, really, except into him. Pastor was going to come back onto track, both because he was not going to roll over and concede the position, and because there's some kerbage they put in there to keep people from cutting through. Hamilton got a DNF instead of 4th. Nice strategic move!
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06-27-2012, 10:56 AM
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Personally I think Hamilton's crash was totally his fault. His tires were gone, he had no grip. He had no grip. There was no question Maldonado was going to pass him. Hamilton was simply blocking the track as much as possible.
He shoved Maldonado wide, which is fine, hard nosed racing and all. People get shoved wide all the time. But then he cut the inside line and shut the door and Pastor had no where to go, really, except into him. Pastor was going to come back onto track, both because he was not going to roll over and concede the position, and because there's some kerbage they put in there to keep people from cutting through. Hamilton got a DNF instead of 4th. Nice strategic move!
He shoved Maldonado wide, which is fine, hard nosed racing and all. People get shoved wide all the time. But then he cut the inside line and shut the door and Pastor had no where to go, really, except into him. Pastor was going to come back onto track, both because he was not going to roll over and concede the position, and because there's some kerbage they put in there to keep people from cutting through. Hamilton got a DNF instead of 4th. Nice strategic move!
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06-27-2012, 06:33 PM
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Also, if you watch the reply Maldonado's left front tire was still on the curb when they contacted each other. Hamilton's failure to leave space caused the accident, not Maldonado rejoining in an "unsafe" manner.
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06-27-2012, 10:37 PM
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You shouldn't gain from forcing people off track. If Maldonado had held his line on the previous corner we would of had the same exact result (a crash between the two of them, just Hamilton would of been impacting Maldonado). Maldonado does the smart thing, goes on the run off and then gets penalized because Hamilton is too big of an idiot to realize Maldonado is going to be next to him in the next corner too? Doesn't make much sense.
Also, if you watch the reply Maldonado's left front tire was still on the curb when they contacted each other. Hamilton's failure to leave space caused the accident, not Maldonado rejoining in an "unsafe" manner.
Also, if you watch the reply Maldonado's left front tire was still on the curb when they contacted each other. Hamilton's failure to leave space caused the accident, not Maldonado rejoining in an "unsafe" manner.
1) Hamilton is a dick and doesn't leave space for Maldonado. It is Maldonado's choice not to back out when he did not have the line into the corner. Maldonado is off track, but no wreck is caused. He may have been penalized for this or they may have let it go (similar to Vettel pushing Button off track during the start of last year's race in China I think), we will never know.
2) Maldonado makes a maneuver to the right to REJOIN the track and hits Hamilton's car. A wreck is caused and the party at fault is Maldonado here.
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06-28-2012, 02:02 AM
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There's no way that was Hamilton's fault. Maldonado was off the track, and decided a great place to get back on the track was on a bloody corner apex.
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06-28-2012, 02:15 AM
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The endless debate rages !
Hamilton is a douchebag. He was going to continue to block to try to save position since he could no longer race to save position. So you suggest Maldonado should have cut the corner completely, passed Hamilton on the straight or at the next corner, and then subject himself to a steward's review for having cut that corner? Nah. Hamilton played hardball and lost.
I see you're in the UK. Spent a month in your lovely country last August. I appreciate and prefer the BBC coverage of F1. But they have a love affair with Hamilton. Granted, why not root for the home team? But sorry - no tears for Lewis's outcome this weekend. Were the situation to be reversed there would be outcry as to Why The F*#*@# was Maldonado allowed to block so much.
Hamilton is a douchebag. He was going to continue to block to try to save position since he could no longer race to save position. So you suggest Maldonado should have cut the corner completely, passed Hamilton on the straight or at the next corner, and then subject himself to a steward's review for having cut that corner? Nah. Hamilton played hardball and lost.
I see you're in the UK. Spent a month in your lovely country last August. I appreciate and prefer the BBC coverage of F1. But they have a love affair with Hamilton. Granted, why not root for the home team? But sorry - no tears for Lewis's outcome this weekend. Were the situation to be reversed there would be outcry as to Why The F*#*@# was Maldonado allowed to block so much.
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06-28-2012, 03:11 AM
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Man I'd love to. Is there an Mt.net party house? Someone set us up the house! I could potentially swing this if we set it up by Sep 10th. That being the drop-dead date for me for schedule requests for November.
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11-07-2012, 01:28 AM
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What an amazing race weekend.
I have dropped cable. For those of you who have not watched the coverage of an F1 race provided by Sky, I cannot recommend it enough. I now realize Will Buxton is the water boy of F1 journalists. Sky gets pre, during, and post interviews with the likes of Martin Whitmarsh and Adrian Newey. Will gets to stick his microphone into other people's interviews. They get their cameras everywhere during the practice sessions. I particularly liked the shots of the airflow paint on the front wings of the Red Bull cars.
I have dropped cable. For those of you who have not watched the coverage of an F1 race provided by Sky, I cannot recommend it enough. I now realize Will Buxton is the water boy of F1 journalists. Sky gets pre, during, and post interviews with the likes of Martin Whitmarsh and Adrian Newey. Will gets to stick his microphone into other people's interviews. They get their cameras everywhere during the practice sessions. I particularly liked the shots of the airflow paint on the front wings of the Red Bull cars.
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11-07-2012, 07:25 PM
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Yes Abu Dhabi was great all around, really enjoyed that one.
Stuff:
- Vettel's epic performance
- All of the carnage (crashes and car failures)
- The leaders battling to close the gaps at the end of the race
- Kimi's STFU radio transmissions (+1 on LOL)
- Vettel dropping the F-bomb during the podium interview (and SpeedTV messing up the bleepout), Coulthard's resulting comment about Vettel speaking English as a second language, then Vettel pouring fake champagne on Coulthard's head.
- One of the teams busted out a really fast sub 3 second pit stop though I cannot remember who it was. Also Vettel's front nose change pit stop was awesomely fast.
I CANNOT WAIT FOR AUSTIN! GONNA BE THERE! Traffic is going to suck but otherwise it should be fantastic.
Mobius how are you tapping into Sky? I agree, I never liked Buxton very much. He is also quick to jump on the conspiracy theory angle, which I find annoying, and brings up stuff that is generally just not very interesting.
Stuff:
- Vettel's epic performance
- All of the carnage (crashes and car failures)
- The leaders battling to close the gaps at the end of the race
- Kimi's STFU radio transmissions (+1 on LOL)
- Vettel dropping the F-bomb during the podium interview (and SpeedTV messing up the bleepout), Coulthard's resulting comment about Vettel speaking English as a second language, then Vettel pouring fake champagne on Coulthard's head.
- One of the teams busted out a really fast sub 3 second pit stop though I cannot remember who it was. Also Vettel's front nose change pit stop was awesomely fast.
I CANNOT WAIT FOR AUSTIN! GONNA BE THERE! Traffic is going to suck but otherwise it should be fantastic.
Mobius how are you tapping into Sky? I agree, I never liked Buxton very much. He is also quick to jump on the conspiracy theory angle, which I find annoying, and brings up stuff that is generally just not very interesting.
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