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Old 04-15-2013, 05:05 PM   #21
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LOL at eating and drinking for taste.
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LOL at eating and drinking for taste.
LOL at thinking eating healthy (or with specific training goals in mind) means you can't have enjoyable foods.
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Old 04-15-2013, 05:14 PM   #23
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Killin some chicken, shrimp, and almonds right now with cottage cheese and broccoli on the side.
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Old 04-15-2013, 06:24 PM   #24
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I can tell you that the body uses alcohol as a fuel. So while it may not directly make you fat, it does burn easily and that means all that other **** doesn't get burned. Krebs Cycle UP IN HURR.
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Old 04-15-2013, 06:30 PM   #25
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At one time in my life I was borderline alcoholic. I ate very little, getting most of my sustenance from beer. And not anything fancy, just Labbatts Blue and Bud.
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Old 04-15-2013, 06:43 PM   #26
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Serious question. Any one in this thread need help losing weight? I can help.

Source: Suffered bulging/compressed discs and multitude of sports injuries, gained weight, lost a **** ton that equals more than average Korean person.
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Old 04-15-2013, 06:43 PM   #27
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Skim milk makes people fat. 1% Doesn't help either.

Without the fat, milk isn't much more than sugar water. When you have sugar without the fat, your body readily absorbs the sugar. Fat acts as a sort of sugar blocker.

As far as diet drinks go - they taste horrible to me - which means that I should not consume them - so I don't.

The sodium is the real killer - if you want to gain obscene quantities of weight quickly while being generally unhealthy, consume sodium - the easiest way to eat vast quantities of sodium (without knowing it) is to eat restaurant food. Sure, fast food is bad, but "slow food" restaurants can be particularly nasty. It's quite ridiculous how much salt a restaurant will put into their food to make it taste good.
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The sodium is the real killer - if you want to gain obscene quantities of weight quickly while being generally unhealthy, consume sodium - the easiest way to eat vast quantities of sodium (without knowing it) is to eat restaurant food. Sure, fast food is bad, but "slow food" restaurants can be particularly nasty. It's quite ridiculous how much salt a restaurant will put into their food to make it taste good.
It depends. For the average person that eats a lot of restaurant meals and prepackaged, processed foods, yes.

But once you actually clean up your diet and start eating whole foods, you can end up not getting enough salt. You need a certain amount.
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:29 PM   #29
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Calories in should be less than calories burned. You WILL lose weight, guaranteed.

Do yourself a favor and workout at the same time and you should lose nothing but fat.
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Calories in should be less than calories burned. You WILL lose weight, guaranteed.

Do yourself a favor and workout at the same time and you should lose nothing but fat.
Your body will do funny things to you if you put it into starvation mode - you'll impair thyroid function and force your body to process your food differently. You'll also lack energy, and you'll be more likely to get sick. Your bowel movements will also become inconsistent - never underestimate how many calories are hidden inside a good healthy ****. In reality, your body wants to be fit, skinny, and healthy - all you gotta do is figure out what foods your individual and unique body has problems with.

I'm not saying that you wont lose weight if calories in < calories out, but there are healthier and certainly more sustainable ways to go about it.
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Energy consumed vs. energy expended. That's all it comes down to.... well, kind of.

If you starve the body, your metabolism slows, as it assumes food is becoming scarce, and must conserve. The majority of "diet" pills are just caffeine of amphetamines. This bumps back the metabolism, and helps burn calories. I used to date a girl who used the "adderall and salad" diet. Take 5+ adderall, and eat one small salad every day. After a week or two, her body would make you drool. The only places she didn't loose weight was her c cups and that ***..... Anyway, it's not hard to manipulate the human body, but it is difficult to consistantly manipulate it over the long term.


Think about alcohol. It has intense effects for first time users, but over time the body develops a tolerance. You have to drink more and more to gain the same effect. So if you try to starve yourself or "all-of-it" or metabolism, your body will eventually get wise, and compensate. This is the center of the "yoyo diet" equation.


No matter what you do, if you are not physically active, you can not maintain a healthy weight without diet restriction, or chemical interference.


EDIT: I'm 6'3, 170lbs.
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Energy consumed vs. energy expended. That's all it comes down to.... well, kind of.
The dumbest way to achieve weight loss.
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So the smartest way is? Work out until you drop? Eat a super special diet? The Tug Toner?

Calories in, calories out works for EVERYONE, no special anything needed.

I've done 24 hour fasts for years, I've never entered any starvation mode.
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The dumbest way to achieve weight loss.
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Works, but there are better, more efficient ways.
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So the smartest way is? Work out until you drop? Eat a super special diet? The Tug Toner?
Yes, all of those things. That's definitely what I'm arguing for.

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Calories in, calories out works for EVERYONE, no special anything needed.
Reducing weight loss to CICO ignores everything important about nutrition (micronutrients and macronutrients) and the metabolism.

1500 calories of pasta, pizza, and ice cream does not equal 1500 calories of fruits, vegetables, and healthy proteins and fats when it comes to safe weight loss, body composition, and long-term health.

As I said before, approaching weight loss as nothing more than CICO is the dumbest way possible.*






*Okay, not really. It's better than using illegal drugs, or bulimia, or eating cotton *****. But not by much.
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The dumbest way to achieve weight loss.
Be physically actve is number one, but if you want a simple soundbite:

Calories burned - Calories ingested = net caloric gain. A calorie is just a unit of energy. Technically, humans and food companies measure in kilo-calories, but it's the same concept. We're not talking about being healthy, just whether or not you are fat.



As I said before:

6'3, 170lbs, and I do real work for a living, while eating whatever the hell I want. Yesterday, I ate: 3 pancakes, 1/2 pineapple, 1/2 family sized bag of jolly rancher jelly beans.
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This explains everything:
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EDIT: I'm 6'3, 170lbs.
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We're I'm not talking about being healthy, just whether or not you are fat overweight.
Thank you for summarizing why CICO is the dumbest approach to weight loss.
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I have a serious question about weight loss or more precisely burning fat because the number is not important to me just what the mirror shows. I am 5'11" and have a pretty broad build so my healthy weight with a good amount of muscle is around 170lbs which I was maintaining for a while. Then I got a desk job and over the course of 4 months without making dietary changes I went up to 205 lbs and maintain that now +/- 5lbs.

I started a regular workout routine that I stuck to for 3 months while also changing my diet to a respectable amount of calories with balanced meals. I did all the calculators and read a **** ton on how to eat like making 5 smaller meals instead of 3 bigger ones. My workout was fairly intense and after 3 months I lost exactly 0 pounds. I did lose some fat and gained muscle but not nearly as much as I would have expected for 3 months of strict diet and exercise.

Does anyone have any ideas on how I can accelerate the process or do I just have that body type that is going to require well over a year to get into perfect shape?
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