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Old 04-18-2013, 10:32 AM   #121
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Also I have decided to answer the OPs question as short as possible for the benefit of mankind:


Q: Does diet soda make you a fatty?

A long: Not by itself, but those who drink it often lead a lifestyle of bad diet choices and, therefore, are more likely to consume the types and quantities of foods that make you a fatty.

A short: Probably.
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So I did some light shopping last night on my way home from class to get started on adjusting my diet.



Woke up about 30 minutes earlier this morning and cooked myself 2 scrambled eggs and 2 pieces of bacon. Drank a large glass of milk and made myself a small steak and steamed veggies for lunch.

I'll check back in once I have been eating like this for a week and see if I notice any differences in how I feel. I have noticed so far that I still feel very full from this morning and I have a good amount of sustained energy even though I got less sleep last night.
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Yes I do. But before you draw conclusions keep in mind that a female shares my dwelling.
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jasonandgeoffriau >>

I do fully understand what Lustig says. You however, do not comprehend what I'm saying.
I'm not talking about hunger, I'm talking about weight and health.
Health is my field (MD) I do know whats what in the body, as far as most of us can say.
The baseline is still, no need for fancy tricks as long as you can count and have discipline. Fancy tricks and selected food makes it easier. That a small snickers is about 250 kcal and is gone in two bites, that makes it harder.

How fast you eat, fructose, and the temperature of the food matters for hunger. NOT FOR ANYTHING ELSE.

But yeah, its not nice to be hungry.

And I don't think that either me or chili has said anything that contradicts Lustig?

Edit: QUESTIONING *******! (y8s); Wood would not get you full either, you'd still be hungry for more, wouldn't you?

I'll stay out of this thread now

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Old 04-18-2013, 11:18 AM   #126
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Bro science is claiming all these foods/methods/meals/blah blah blah are the way to do it, with NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF.

Your body can be SCIENTIFCALLY measured to see how much energy it used in a day. You can then eat below that to lose weight.
CICO is SCIENCE if you're living in 1964. The rest of us are interested in the research that's happened since then.

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Please point to ANY of my posts that said I eat donuts and take multivitamins and thats what I suggest to lose weight.
You posted a link to a Twinkie diet as evidence that CICO is the best way to lose weight.

If you'd like to qualify those statements with your opinions about how certain foods and diets are healthier than others, and how certain foods and diets make losing weight in a healthy way easier, safer, and more efficient, then feel free to join us at the grown-up table.

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What I'm saying will work with a ketogenic diet, a paleo diet, an atkins diet, whatever you want because it relies on scientific fact. All your "methods" are someone trying to sell something and take way too much time.
Or maybe it's just that we know more about how the metabolism and digestion works now than we did in 1964.

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I'll stick with my science of energy balance, while you guys can stick with your unscientific claims of health and feeling crappy blah blah blah.
Just try reading some of the research that's been done over the last 40 years or so. You'll be amazed.
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jasonandgeoffriau >>

I do fully understand what Lustig says. You however, do not comprehend what I'm saying.
I'm not talking about hunger, I'm talking about weight and health.
Health is my field (MD) I do know whats what in the body, as far as most of us can say.
The baseline in still, no need for fancy tricks as long as you can count and have discipline. Fancy tricks and selected food makes it easier. That a small snickers is about 250 kcal and is gone in two bites, that makes it harder.

How fast you eat, fructose, and the temperature of the food matters for hunger. NOT FOR ANYTHING ELSE.

But yeah, its not nice to be hungry.

And I don't think that either me or chili has said anything that contradicts Lustig?

I'll stay out of this thread now
If you think we're talking about tricks, you're not paying attention.

We're talking about metabolic pathways. We're talking about nutrition. We're talking about inflammation. We're talking about toxins, and gut flora, and gene expression.
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So I did some light shopping last night on my way home from class to get started on adjusting my diet.
For the chicken, consider looking at the Perdue or Tyson individually wrapped boneless skinless breasts (non-flavored). They are probably not perfect and I haven't compared costs recently, but they seem like the convenience factor might be a good fit for you.

They are in the same general cooler area as the other meats at Publix (where shopping is a pleasure).
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For the chicken, consider looking at the Perdue or Tyson individually wrapped boneless skinless breasts (non-flavored). They are probably not perfect and I haven't compared costs recently, but they seem like the convenience factor might be a good fit for you.

They are in the same general cooler area as the other meats at Publix (where shopping is a pleasure).
I'll take a look but I imagine it is much more expensive. I need a better way to package them but I just used what I had at the time.
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Wegmans has hand cut chicken tenders already packed in a dinner + lunch size that come in around 4-6 dollars. Or they have untrimmed breast in individual vac pack sheets (12 pockets on a sheet) with 1 large or two small breasts per pocket and those end up being around 12-16. They also have the same sheets with marinade, and those are trimmed. Price isnt terrible, but its a lot more than buying an 8 pound package of 80% lean fresh ground hamburger for 15 bucks.
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I'm leaving to go to Panera to have a 500 calorie coffee drink the gorge on 3000calories of cinnamon rolls.

LOL at "THE SCIENCE OF NOT BEING FAT". If you see yourself gaining weight, cut back. Exercise everyday. Try not to sit around doing nothing, researching cutting edge food-science articles.

PRO-TIP: Just don't be a fat-***.



EDIT: I had a friend calculate that, at one point, I was eating almost 8000 calories a day. Soak the bread in olive oil, make an Italian sub with roast-beef and pastrami added and 10 slices of bacon added, then put a philly cheese steak on top, which was soaking in the bacon grease as it cooked.

All while still straddling the line between clinically underweight, and the low end of healthy weight. All my vitals are perfect, except my blood pressure, a little low, even when I'm nervous about giving blood. Doc says I need to quit smoking.... I went from 3 packs a day, down to less than 1. I'm now 100% clean and sober, I drink maybe 5 times a year.

So..... why aren't I dead? Because active.
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Chicken breasts.. 1 buck per pound. I eat 4-5 of those ******* a day. If i was to get them 4-6 bucks per dinner man i'd be spending 25 bucks a day on just chicken alone.
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Chicken breasts.. 1 buck per pound. I eat 4-5 of those ******* a day. If i was to get them 4-6 bucks per dinner man i'd be spending 25 bucks a day on just chicken alone.
This is why my 2 weekish grocery bill was over $150. Food be expensive in mass, I really need an EBT card.
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Chicken breasts.. 1 buck per pound. I eat 4-5 of those ******* a day. If i was to get them 4-6 bucks per dinner man i'd be spending 25 bucks a day on just chicken alone.
Yeah..... that is why I buy chicken breasts in large amounts and then freeze smaller packages for later.
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Doc says I need to quit smoking.... I went from 3 packs a day, down to less than 1.
Now I'm definitely not bothering with your stupid posts in this thread.

"Hey guys! I figured out how to make cigarettes healthy! Just work out occasionally, that will completely reverse the detrimental effects of inhaling hot tobacco smoke into your lungs!"
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EDIT: I had a friend calculate that, at one point, I was eating almost 8000 calories a day. Soak the bread in olive oil, make an Italian sub with roast-beef and pastrami added and 10 slices of bacon added, then put a philly cheese steak on top, which was soaking in the bacon grease as it cooked.

All while still straddling the line between clinically underweight, and the low end of healthy weight. All my vitals are perfect, except my blood pressure, a little low, even when I'm nervous about giving blood. Doc says I need to quit smoking.... I went from 3 packs a day, down to less than 1. I'm now 100% clean and sober, I drink maybe 5 times a year.

So..... why aren't I dead? Because active.
When I had an active job I regularly consumed 5000 calories a day and stayed at a slim weight as well. Unfortunately, Now I have a job where I sit in front of a computer for 9-12 hours right before I leave and sit in a classroom for another 3 hours. I also commute sitting in a car for 2 hours a day. Just working out, even daily for 45 minutes, does not do it for my body so I have to get creative.
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jasonandgeoffriau >>

I do fully understand what Lustig says. You however, do not comprehend what I'm saying.
I'm not talking about hunger, I'm talking about weight and health.
Health is my field (MD) I do know whats what in the body, as far as most of us can say.
The baseline is still, no need for fancy tricks as long as you can count and have discipline. Fancy tricks and selected food makes it easier. That a small snickers is about 250 kcal and is gone in two bites, that makes it harder.

How fast you eat, fructose, and the temperature of the food matters for hunger. NOT FOR ANYTHING ELSE.

But yeah, its not nice to be hungry.

And I don't think that either me or chili has said anything that contradicts Lustig?

Edit: QUESTIONING *******! (y8s); Wood would not get you full either, you'd still be hungry for more, wouldn't you?

I'll stay out of this thread now
I mean no offense to you and I don't know your history, but most MDs that I've spoken with or read information from don't give me the level of nutritional understanding I desire nor full confidence in their word. I do not know the medical education system in Sweden, but the schools here don't have enough focus on complete metabolic and nutritional comprehension.

One book in particular called Deep Nutrition, which everyone here should read, is written by a biochemistry undergrad (which I am) who became an MD (which I will be pursuing) and she was woefully underwhelmed by what she learned about nutrition in medical school. I found myself sharing a lot of the same ideas as her. The reductionist explanations we are hearing are their dogma and I guess 'work' to a degree, but that doesn't mean they're comprehensive. It is the nature of the beast to not have enough class time to focus on the subject.

Real, in depth personal research and investigation can be better than what one MD knows especially those who don't have the time to be a self made expert on the subject of nutrition. And it takes a lot of time investment to be a true expert on this stuff.

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Chicken breasts.. 1 buck per pound. I eat 4-5 of those ******* a day. If i was to get them 4-6 bucks per dinner man i'd be spending 25 bucks a day on just chicken alone.
If you want to be adventurous and frugal, start buying whole chickens. They're cheap all things considered, you'll learn some anatomy + knife skills, and you'll have legs, breasts, wings, organs, and the ability to make stock from the bones. Homemade stock can be a great nutritional powerhouse and recipe ingredient, but quality bird is again important considering the other stuff you'll extract from bottom shelf product.

You'll be cutting them up in under 5 minutes if you do it a few times!

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For the chicken, consider looking at the Perdue or Tyson individually wrapped boneless skinless breasts (non-flavored). They are probably not perfect and I haven't compared costs recently, but they seem like the convenience factor might be a good fit for you.

They are in the same general cooler area as the other meats at Publix (where shopping is a pleasure).
NO.

For this and many other overuse of antibiotics reasons:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/29/us...anted=all&_r=0

FWIW Trader Joe's has individually wrapped chicken too.

You wouldn't put shitty gas in your car, why put shitty chicken in your body?

OK maybe you put shitty gas in your car. But it's a car, not you.


Aside note to the CICO crew: Humans are not bomb calorimeters.
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The reductionist explanations ...
Bingo. So true in medicine and nutrition. How many "simple" explanations have been refined over the decades, to become much more nuanced?
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Calories In, Calories Out isn't a law or anything. Physics 1 doesn't work because the human body isn't: 1. in a vacuum, or 2. a closed system.

It's an inexact science at best. You guys might want to sit down for this next one... everybody is a little different and their nutrition requirements may not match 100% with yours.

This is a proclick:

That said, if you eat right (count calories, no guessing), go outside and roll around 30 minutes a day, and get quality sleep, you'll be on the right track.
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