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08-24-2012, 06:34 PM
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99% of pit owners are as stupid as their inbred dogs.
I just have to walk away from people when they say how loving pits are. They were bred and designed originally to be war dogs, then as baiting dogs, followed by fighting dogs. You aren't going to remove that instinct. They are what they are. As a protective farm dog, they are worth their weight in gold. If you live in the hood, they are worth their weight in gold. If you think they make the best family dog, you are one of the 99%'ers
I just have to walk away from people when they say how loving pits are. They were bred and designed originally to be war dogs, then as baiting dogs, followed by fighting dogs. You aren't going to remove that instinct. They are what they are. As a protective farm dog, they are worth their weight in gold. If you live in the hood, they are worth their weight in gold. If you think they make the best family dog, you are one of the 99%'ers
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08-24-2012, 08:13 PM
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Pits can be great dogs, and are very loving. They are also one of the most misguided breeds. It all comes down to how the Dog is raised from the moment it opens its eyes. All you see in east oakland are pitbulls because poverty is attracted to violence and pit bulls were bread for aggressive fighting and violent sports. Don't hate the player, hate the GAME.
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08-24-2012, 10:00 PM
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There is a difference between pit bulls and american bullies.
A breeder told me a real pit bull is similar in size to a boxer and american bullies are the new craze which are the big mean looking ones you see for fighting.
How true it is, I have no idea.
A breeder told me a real pit bull is similar in size to a boxer and american bullies are the new craze which are the big mean looking ones you see for fighting.
How true it is, I have no idea.
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08-24-2012, 10:27 PM
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Pits can be great dogs, and are very loving. They are also one of the most misguided breeds. It all comes down to how the Dog is raised from the moment it opens its eyes. All you see in east oakland are pitbulls because poverty is attracted to violence and pit bulls were bread for aggressive fighting and violent sports. Don't hate the player, hate the GAME.
For over a hundred years, pitbulls were the babysitting dog of America. A well trained pit is a pleasure to be around. But a shitty owner can turn any dog into an awful dog (Lab, dane, pit, whatever), and as you mentioned, shitty owners are attracted to the reputation of the breed.
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08-25-2012, 12:34 AM
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As with any breed of dog, there are good and bad pit bulls. What is exceptional about american pit bulls, however, is the high percentage of them able to channel their inner Cujo and go completely psycho. I know a responsible breeder who stopped breeding pit bulls after several incidents of pit bull puppies terrorizing their other dogs. Say what you will about how "it's how the dog is raised and trained", when the puppies are exhibiting the behavior, it's hard to blame it on nurture. And how many other breeds of dog refuse to unlock their jaws even after being decapitated?
A friend had a partial pit bull mix that was a sweet, loving dog to those he knew, and a 65lb incarnation of primal dog fury towards any strangers. This wasn't a totally bad thing, since at the time one of their neighbors down the street was a drug dealer. But he was truly terrifying if he didn't know you.
A friend had a partial pit bull mix that was a sweet, loving dog to those he knew, and a 65lb incarnation of primal dog fury towards any strangers. This wasn't a totally bad thing, since at the time one of their neighbors down the street was a drug dealer. But he was truly terrifying if he didn't know you.
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08-25-2012, 12:38 AM
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I remember hearing the exact same stuff about rotties back then that we are hearing about pits now. The funny part is I even remember people saying that rotties were so dangerous because they had locking jaws that you couldn't pull apart! It went from rotties are crazy SOBs and pits are safe to now pits are dangerous, horrible dogs and rotties are safe. Are you telling me that in a couple of decades both the rottweiler breed and the pit breed suddenly underwent a massive genetic evolution?
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08-25-2012, 10:40 AM
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I work with dogs for a living training, care, ect. Pitbulls are the way they are from years and years of being bred that way. Granted having a *** backwards owner doesn't help their case in the least bit. The locking jaw thing is only half right in the sense that it wont let go unless you put a bullet in between their eyes(always carry if your taking care of pit breeds). Another major factor with this animal is that it doesn't follow the laws dog body language like the majority of dogs do. But we cant rule out the percentage thats "loving" towards it family in its home, and thats where it stops. I don't care where the dog comes from as far as home background or the way it was raised you take that dog into a kennel situation or any out of the dogs element situation and they will flip their **** faster than courtney love off of drugs. We have owner whos as plain as day dentist, father, all that ****, and he owns a pit by the name of oakley. No one can touch this dog not even the owner, the dog has even went after his own handler in our kennel none the less.
All im saying is if you can handle them good for you. I'll take a belgian malinois any day over a pit, but thats just my personal opinion.
All im saying is if you can handle them good for you. I'll take a belgian malinois any day over a pit, but thats just my personal opinion.
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08-25-2012, 12:05 PM
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nurture can go a long way but when an animal is backed into a corner or feeling certain emotions it's instincts will kick in. My dog is scared of the vacuum. she wasn't when she was a puppy. i never chased her with it or gave her a bad experience...
I'm not saying some people don't have docile gentle sweet pits but I personally would rather get a golden or something else and KNOW what i'm getting into. I'm sure they are out there but I have never met a vicious golden that couldn't handle it's emotions unless it was about a tennis ball.
I'm not saying some people don't have docile gentle sweet pits but I personally would rather get a golden or something else and KNOW what i'm getting into. I'm sure they are out there but I have never met a vicious golden that couldn't handle it's emotions unless it was about a tennis ball.
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08-25-2012, 01:16 PM
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I'm strongly anti-breed bans, but we're kidding ourselves if we don't admit that certain breeds have been carelessly bred for bad traits. There are plenty of awesome GSD's, and I'd never support banning them as a breed, but there's also a higher percentage of spooky, skittish GSD's that have nothing to do with being raised or trained wrong. Same with pits. They can be amazing dogs, and originally were as reliable as any other breed. Now? After decades of terrible careless breeding? Not so much.
If you're buying a pup from a reputable breeder, one who can show you the mom and dad, then you'll probably be fine. But if you're buying a GSD, Rottie, or pit from craigslist, you're taking a risk. If nothing else, it's just a liability risk should anything ever happen. You don't see many high-profile cases of someone getting sued over a Chow bite, despite the fact that they rank highly on the bite list.
If you're buying a pup from a reputable breeder, one who can show you the mom and dad, then you'll probably be fine. But if you're buying a GSD, Rottie, or pit from craigslist, you're taking a risk. If nothing else, it's just a liability risk should anything ever happen. You don't see many high-profile cases of someone getting sued over a Chow bite, despite the fact that they rank highly on the bite list.
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08-25-2012, 02:44 PM
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I killed a pitbull once, injured the rottweiler and all the blame I give is the owner who is custody. This happened last year.
My own mother didnt feel safe doing a child welfare check on a shady trailer trash ex-felon who got his little girl taken away due to consumption and dealing of drugs, child neglect, and lack to provide medical attention, surprisingly he never touched her which was the only thing going for him. That child's mother was somehow in a worse situation to where the dad got full custody back, but my own mother (County child welfare bla bla bla, not CPS, but a bigger person in the court) didnt feel safe going alone so I tagged along, armed. To this day I dont know why they send my mother out without a police escort, but I cant do anything about that.
When we showed up to just check on the living and caring situations of the 8 year old girl, he threw such a sissy fit about us coming inside his double wide, and I mean complete ape **** cops show material. We were eventually let inside, but he kept a close proximity to our actions and tried to steer us away from some things. After all this suspicious behavior, we got to the backyard to find two dogs chained up, looking abused, and overall unhealthy. My moms job isnt to do any searches, but to document what she can see quietly on a notepad (i know how I would feel if someone goes mhmmm, and just jots something in a notepad without answering what she wrote), so now we got mr. meth rager flipping a ****, the little girl gets scared and hides in her room, and the dogs barking and snarling. We just decided we got enough info here to constitute a warranted search by the PD,enough things inside the house to sadly get his girl taken away (knives all over the place, toys near lighters, knives, box cutters etc., excess dirty living situation that is controllable, and a horrid moldy smell inside the home mixed with cigarette smoke). As we are walking to the car, he shouts "F--K YOU, B!TCH!" and lets loose his aggroed animals in the front yard, they would have gone for anything that moved but we were the only two. I kicked the rott who first got to me, the pitt stood there snarling at me first, then to make things worse, the neighbor came out to see all the commotion, so now the pitt goes for that dumbass and I am trying to get my gun out if the concealed holster without getting bit. As soon as it was out I racked it, by this time I got two dogs at me since neighbor bitch went back inside safely, my mom is in the car, I was about to be dog food, and now methhead is screaming at the dogs to get back because magically i have a gun. I gave him a chance to get the dogs off finally but they clearly were on a blood lust, so sadly i fired 5 shots, one missed and hit the ground, two hit the rott then it backed off in severe pain, and two dead on into the pitts upper torso.
Cops came and we spent 3 hours there justifying the shots, and now this little girl has no father, no mother and no one else blood related to be taken for.
One of the scariest moments of my life, but also one of the sadest. I have a picture of the pit somewhere on my cellphone, because it looked so bad for words. Its ears were clearly cut with scissors and got infected, they were dirty, just overall well abused, and on purpose too.
Im in the middle when it comes to certain breeds, I wont just walk up to a sweet LOOKING breed if I know it has a violent tendency, but ill cautiously let them smell my hand, and ill gently pet their back (not their head) if they let me. I look for tail reaction to the movements I do and I refuse to even open smile to expose my teeth. But I know damn well its overall about how they are raised.
I have been on both sides of this coin, I used to live in a over controlled apartment complex, and I had our newest rescued pup, Aspen. She was a sweet dog, but abused way too early so they took her away. She was DEATHLY afraid of anything that could resemble a gun, and did NOT like her tail grabbed without her seeing you (my wife and I were working with her on this particular issue at the time). She was a german shepherd rottweiler mix. One day like I do everyday, id take her down and around the courtyard where the kids would get off the bus and visit with aspen, she loved it! She was always very playful and happy, as she was only 11 months old at that time; but the one thing I ALWAYS tell the kids is to let her see you, and get to know YOU, because she came from a scary place and to never ever grab her tail. Well this little spoiled undisciplined 12 year old **** of a girl blatantly asked "Why not?!" and went for it to be a hardass, aspen whipped around, while growling and went to nip her hand, but I flicked her ear which she knew that wasnt okay so she backed off. Well that girl ran off crying, about 15 minutes later her mother (jersey shore dressed) came out bitching at me, how she was going to sue me for having a violent dog and a bad breed and bla bla bla. Well the furthest she could get was the police to slap my hand, and annoyingly the **** association to tell me to either get rid of the dog, or to move out while breaking the lease, I have 30 days to make a decision. So i had to find her a home at a good friend of mine seeing how we were in no situation to break a lease that would cost us $2,000 on top of our deposit.
Even with all this that has happened I grew up knowing some of the SWEETEST, most loving pit bulls, rottweilers and even chows, even if they have tendencies due to breed. I remember riding the back of a large rott like a pony when I was 6, it was fun!
We eventually moved from that place AS SOON as our two year was up. I didnt get aspen back seeing how she was doing just fine there, so now here we are at our condo with our newest dog Piper, a pure bred malamute, runt of the litter, she is awesome. A malamute the size of a small siberian huskey. so in a 1300 sq. ft. condo we have 1 cat, 1 large dog, and 1 tiny dog. Yes we are in the process of getting a house, because im tired of the 2-3 times a day for an hour to two hours at the park because of DOGS. Cats are easy.
So my only thing is if you dont like dogs in general, go away; and if you just dont have any knowledge of dogs, get educated before you adopt and/or associate with certain breeds. Don't be an idiot and harbor 4 pitbulls like this bitch who have the strength to tear up the front end of a car to try and get to a sweet kitten.
Also from what i learned from being a father of 2 years now, I am more cautious to how people handle their dogs in public, I am not breed specific. I will kill your dog or seriously injure if it comes after my kid, luckly our big dog is protective of her.
So tl;dr, its all about the idiots and ignorance of people.
My own mother didnt feel safe doing a child welfare check on a shady trailer trash ex-felon who got his little girl taken away due to consumption and dealing of drugs, child neglect, and lack to provide medical attention, surprisingly he never touched her which was the only thing going for him. That child's mother was somehow in a worse situation to where the dad got full custody back, but my own mother (County child welfare bla bla bla, not CPS, but a bigger person in the court) didnt feel safe going alone so I tagged along, armed. To this day I dont know why they send my mother out without a police escort, but I cant do anything about that.
When we showed up to just check on the living and caring situations of the 8 year old girl, he threw such a sissy fit about us coming inside his double wide, and I mean complete ape **** cops show material. We were eventually let inside, but he kept a close proximity to our actions and tried to steer us away from some things. After all this suspicious behavior, we got to the backyard to find two dogs chained up, looking abused, and overall unhealthy. My moms job isnt to do any searches, but to document what she can see quietly on a notepad (i know how I would feel if someone goes mhmmm, and just jots something in a notepad without answering what she wrote), so now we got mr. meth rager flipping a ****, the little girl gets scared and hides in her room, and the dogs barking and snarling. We just decided we got enough info here to constitute a warranted search by the PD,enough things inside the house to sadly get his girl taken away (knives all over the place, toys near lighters, knives, box cutters etc., excess dirty living situation that is controllable, and a horrid moldy smell inside the home mixed with cigarette smoke). As we are walking to the car, he shouts "F--K YOU, B!TCH!" and lets loose his aggroed animals in the front yard, they would have gone for anything that moved but we were the only two. I kicked the rott who first got to me, the pitt stood there snarling at me first, then to make things worse, the neighbor came out to see all the commotion, so now the pitt goes for that dumbass and I am trying to get my gun out if the concealed holster without getting bit. As soon as it was out I racked it, by this time I got two dogs at me since neighbor bitch went back inside safely, my mom is in the car, I was about to be dog food, and now methhead is screaming at the dogs to get back because magically i have a gun. I gave him a chance to get the dogs off finally but they clearly were on a blood lust, so sadly i fired 5 shots, one missed and hit the ground, two hit the rott then it backed off in severe pain, and two dead on into the pitts upper torso.
Cops came and we spent 3 hours there justifying the shots, and now this little girl has no father, no mother and no one else blood related to be taken for.
One of the scariest moments of my life, but also one of the sadest. I have a picture of the pit somewhere on my cellphone, because it looked so bad for words. Its ears were clearly cut with scissors and got infected, they were dirty, just overall well abused, and on purpose too.
Im in the middle when it comes to certain breeds, I wont just walk up to a sweet LOOKING breed if I know it has a violent tendency, but ill cautiously let them smell my hand, and ill gently pet their back (not their head) if they let me. I look for tail reaction to the movements I do and I refuse to even open smile to expose my teeth. But I know damn well its overall about how they are raised.
I have been on both sides of this coin, I used to live in a over controlled apartment complex, and I had our newest rescued pup, Aspen. She was a sweet dog, but abused way too early so they took her away. She was DEATHLY afraid of anything that could resemble a gun, and did NOT like her tail grabbed without her seeing you (my wife and I were working with her on this particular issue at the time). She was a german shepherd rottweiler mix. One day like I do everyday, id take her down and around the courtyard where the kids would get off the bus and visit with aspen, she loved it! She was always very playful and happy, as she was only 11 months old at that time; but the one thing I ALWAYS tell the kids is to let her see you, and get to know YOU, because she came from a scary place and to never ever grab her tail. Well this little spoiled undisciplined 12 year old **** of a girl blatantly asked "Why not?!" and went for it to be a hardass, aspen whipped around, while growling and went to nip her hand, but I flicked her ear which she knew that wasnt okay so she backed off. Well that girl ran off crying, about 15 minutes later her mother (jersey shore dressed) came out bitching at me, how she was going to sue me for having a violent dog and a bad breed and bla bla bla. Well the furthest she could get was the police to slap my hand, and annoyingly the **** association to tell me to either get rid of the dog, or to move out while breaking the lease, I have 30 days to make a decision. So i had to find her a home at a good friend of mine seeing how we were in no situation to break a lease that would cost us $2,000 on top of our deposit.
Even with all this that has happened I grew up knowing some of the SWEETEST, most loving pit bulls, rottweilers and even chows, even if they have tendencies due to breed. I remember riding the back of a large rott like a pony when I was 6, it was fun!
We eventually moved from that place AS SOON as our two year was up. I didnt get aspen back seeing how she was doing just fine there, so now here we are at our condo with our newest dog Piper, a pure bred malamute, runt of the litter, she is awesome. A malamute the size of a small siberian huskey. so in a 1300 sq. ft. condo we have 1 cat, 1 large dog, and 1 tiny dog. Yes we are in the process of getting a house, because im tired of the 2-3 times a day for an hour to two hours at the park because of DOGS. Cats are easy.
So my only thing is if you dont like dogs in general, go away; and if you just dont have any knowledge of dogs, get educated before you adopt and/or associate with certain breeds. Don't be an idiot and harbor 4 pitbulls like this bitch who have the strength to tear up the front end of a car to try and get to a sweet kitten.
Also from what i learned from being a father of 2 years now, I am more cautious to how people handle their dogs in public, I am not breed specific. I will kill your dog or seriously injure if it comes after my kid, luckly our big dog is protective of her.
So tl;dr, its all about the idiots and ignorance of people.
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08-25-2012, 02:48 PM
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oh and my one park etiquette pet peeve when I see an owner's careless adult large dog coming at me and my family...
Ignoramous Owner: "Oh its okay..."
No, no its not if it clearly is ignoring your commands, and is 80lbs of charging muscle where I have a 2 year old standing on the ground.
Ignoramous Owner: "Oh its okay..."
No, no its not if it clearly is ignoring your commands, and is 80lbs of charging muscle where I have a 2 year old standing on the ground.
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