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sort of NWS, I guess, not really though. I opened it at work.
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When you are ignorant, everything is new to you. It is a syndrome called "Wow this has never happened before just because I haven't seen it." It is a similar human phenomenon to the superstitions that had people making human sacrifices when the sun was being swallowed by the moon during an eclipse. "Yeah, buddy, you made the sun come back. Good for you."
Originally Posted by sixshooter
Dude, there was this medieval warm period thing that was followed by this super awesome little ice age thing followed by this current warming thing. No, seriously, dude, look it up.
Little Ice Age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Temperature changes on earth frankly have more to do with solar activity than anything happening on this planet short of volcanic ash blocking out the sun. Witness:
There's the little ice age on the left and over there at the end on the right is the falling off occurring after 1996...
Little Ice Age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Temperature changes on earth frankly have more to do with solar activity than anything happening on this planet short of volcanic ash blocking out the sun. Witness:
There's the little ice age on the left and over there at the end on the right is the falling off occurring after 1996...
Now then... 1996 (or 1998) was an outlier year due to el nino. you can't build a trend with one data point. look at the trend. While not exceeding avg temps of 1996 (or 1998), it slopes up. I have more graphs too:
Do I see a trend? I look at this and I see a natural warming period occurring at year 0. Maybe I just don't know how to read graphs.
Stole the image from wiki
Temperature record - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Stole the image from wiki
Temperature record - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Now look at this (and this is not the hockey stick prediction, this is measured data):
the rise is not anything like that "fast spike of warming" at 1C/1000 yrs. It's TEN TIMES as fast. 1C/100 yrs.
#64
How many here have studied Svensmark's theory of how the sun's heliosphere modulates low level cloud formation and thus global temperatures?
I have his book, and his theory fits the actual data better than the CO2 theory ... interestingly, except for the "hockey stick", but now that we know it doesn't exist, the fit is even better!
There is correlation between sunspot cycle time and the strength of the sun's heliosphere, explaining the mechanism of the centruies-long correlation between sunspot activity and the price of wheat (more sunspots = warmer weather = wheat becomes more plentiful and cheaper).
The 2 scientists I have the most respect for who have been cautioning about (not denying), the alarmists' claims, are Lindzen and Lomborg. Here is what they wrote:
Richard S. Lindzen: The Climate Science Isn't Settled - WSJ.com
Bjorn Lomborg: Ethiopia, Malnutrition and Climate Change - WSJ.com
And I will say this again:
CO2 caps will INCREASE energy expenditure, increasing profiteering, so arguing that "Big Oil" is funding the "deniers", doesn't hold water. The opposite is true! There is more money to be made by implementing CO2 caps!
And how did they "lose" the data? YOU DON'T FKN "LOSE" RAW DATA!!!!
I have his book, and his theory fits the actual data better than the CO2 theory ... interestingly, except for the "hockey stick", but now that we know it doesn't exist, the fit is even better!
There is correlation between sunspot cycle time and the strength of the sun's heliosphere, explaining the mechanism of the centruies-long correlation between sunspot activity and the price of wheat (more sunspots = warmer weather = wheat becomes more plentiful and cheaper).
The 2 scientists I have the most respect for who have been cautioning about (not denying), the alarmists' claims, are Lindzen and Lomborg. Here is what they wrote:
Richard S. Lindzen: The Climate Science Isn't Settled - WSJ.com
Bjorn Lomborg: Ethiopia, Malnutrition and Climate Change - WSJ.com
And I will say this again:
CO2 caps will INCREASE energy expenditure, increasing profiteering, so arguing that "Big Oil" is funding the "deniers", doesn't hold water. The opposite is true! There is more money to be made by implementing CO2 caps!
And how did they "lose" the data? YOU DON'T FKN "LOSE" RAW DATA!!!!
#65
I think The Vandals nailed it perfectly...
Children are lovely before they get ugly, and learn to do bad stuff.
Flowers are pretty before they get shitty, and rot and turn to dust
I heard that life is a wheel and you can't make it stop
If you try it'll flatten your head
It's a circle of **** we're in the middle of it
but soon we'll all be dead
Like everybody else that ever lived before, the things you make fall to the floor
and nobody knows how hard you tried, it's been that way since the start of time-
There was a caveman that did some amazing things
but nobody here gives a ****
And in a thousand years they'll feel the same
towards all the things you've done
So don't worry what might give you cancer-
or stay up nights just wanting answers
Its just a crap shoot, but it's mostly crap
things start off they're so terrific
they'll **** up it's scientific
Entropy, uncertainty won't yield to you
Love at first sight on a beautiful night and a feeling so divine
gets sucked down the toilet cuz something will spoil it
with the good times left behind you
Don't try to figure out who's at fault
powerful forces abound
like a twig on a river in the universe
tomorrow you'll probably drown
So don't worry if it is a tumor -
all this will be over sooner
Its just a crap shoot, but it's mostly crap
things start off they're so terrific
they'll **** up it's scientific
Entropy, uncertainty won't yield to you or you
And all the things that matter most
disappear, here's a toast
to erosion and corrosion, Altimzers and pain
Don't try to figure out who's at fault
there's powerful forces at play
and if you lose your legs and have to beg
it's really all the same
Children are lovely before they get ugly, and learn to do bad stuff.
Flowers are pretty before they get shitty, and rot and turn to dust
I heard that life is a wheel and you can't make it stop
If you try it'll flatten your head
It's a circle of **** we're in the middle of it
but soon we'll all be dead
Like everybody else that ever lived before, the things you make fall to the floor
and nobody knows how hard you tried, it's been that way since the start of time-
There was a caveman that did some amazing things
but nobody here gives a ****
And in a thousand years they'll feel the same
towards all the things you've done
So don't worry what might give you cancer-
or stay up nights just wanting answers
Its just a crap shoot, but it's mostly crap
things start off they're so terrific
they'll **** up it's scientific
Entropy, uncertainty won't yield to you
Love at first sight on a beautiful night and a feeling so divine
gets sucked down the toilet cuz something will spoil it
with the good times left behind you
Don't try to figure out who's at fault
powerful forces abound
like a twig on a river in the universe
tomorrow you'll probably drown
So don't worry if it is a tumor -
all this will be over sooner
Its just a crap shoot, but it's mostly crap
things start off they're so terrific
they'll **** up it's scientific
Entropy, uncertainty won't yield to you or you
And all the things that matter most
disappear, here's a toast
to erosion and corrosion, Altimzers and pain
Don't try to figure out who's at fault
there's powerful forces at play
and if you lose your legs and have to beg
it's really all the same
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Jason, you still haven't provided a link showing that the data was removed or lost or whatever. I tried googling but couldn't find the specific mention of it. Please show me.
And the "hockey stick" hasn't been 100% disproven. There were some disputes over a small fraction of the MANY reconstructions that form hockey stick shapes. These studies use coral, tree rings, stalagmites, boreholes, etc...
In any case, all of a bunch of studies done in different ways show the same steep increase over the last century.
And the "hockey stick" hasn't been 100% disproven. There were some disputes over a small fraction of the MANY reconstructions that form hockey stick shapes. These studies use coral, tree rings, stalagmites, boreholes, etc...
In any case, all of a bunch of studies done in different ways show the same steep increase over the last century.
#68
Theory works great...in theory. Who's to say what is correct and was is not? I mean, advances in technology, time that we have been keeping track of numbers, whose hands are in what pockest and discoveries of random variables not known before all add up to what? If climate cycles can be seen in high frequencies, like fronts moving across a given area and we can track such cycles as el nino and such cycles as ice ages, how are to know there aren't many other climatic cycles that are yet to be observed? We as humans have developed out own way of collecting and interpreting the data that we create. Just like how some scientests assume that water has to be the basis for life and that only planets with water can support life. Just because that is all we know doesn't mean that is how it is.....theory. There is no way in hell to make such a blanket statement given how large the universe is.
I guess what I am saying is, we as humans don't know everything.
Tex- Just YouTube it and listen to the song. If you like any kind of fast-tempo music, you should get a kick out of them.
I guess what I am saying is, we as humans don't know everything.
Tex- Just YouTube it and listen to the song. If you like any kind of fast-tempo music, you should get a kick out of them.
#69
climategate raw data lost - Google Search
AFAIK the hockey stick was created by using a different set of data to create the upturn. And an uptick at the end can be done by tweaking the polynomial fit functions (I'm well aware of this problem because I've done a lot of curve fitting to noisy data) .
Here is a discussion of the code to tweak the results into what was desired:
Cube Antics | The Proof Behind the CRU Climategate Debacle: Because Computers Do Lie When Humans Tell Them To
AFAIK the hockey stick was created by using a different set of data to create the upturn. And an uptick at the end can be done by tweaking the polynomial fit functions (I'm well aware of this problem because I've done a lot of curve fitting to noisy data) .
Here is a discussion of the code to tweak the results into what was desired:
Cube Antics | The Proof Behind the CRU Climategate Debacle: Because Computers Do Lie When Humans Tell Them To
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Well, you came into this world naked, screaming and covered in blood
who was there to wipe you off and give you your first hug?
And it took a couple years to figure out how to not **** in your pants
but someone was there to clean you up and powder off your rash
It's been them from the start, the ones you tortured and broke their hearts
the two that you hate- the two that you blame- the very same ones that
gave you your name
Remember the time you were five and you lied about who broke your lamp?
Who were the ones that sat you down and gave you a second chance?
It's been them from the start, the ones you tortured and broke their hearts
the two that you hate- the two that you blame- the very same ones that
gave you your name
[Chorus:]
Go home to Mom and Dad and say you're sorry,
It's the least that you can do, after all you've put them through.
Oh, come on.
Beg Mom and Dad's forgiveness, they deserve it.
Even if you don't mean it, make them believe you that it's true.
And when they offered you up all that great advise,
you just screamed **** you, both- and let me live my life!
I'm gonna go out drinking with my friends have unprotected sex,
pierce my nose and get a tattoo of a dragon on my neck!
[Chorus:]
Call Mom and Dad and finally say you're sorry,
It's the least that you can do, after all you've put them through.
Oh, come on.
Beg Mom and Dad's forgiveness, they deserve it.
Even if you don't mean it, make them believe you that it's true.
Cuz now your 35 and working in a warehouse cuz you spent your college money on cocaine.
And the shame of your existence is ever so persistent cuz you know your parents tried
and you're to blame- you're to blame, cuz
It's been the from the start, the ones you tortured and broke their hearts
the two that you hate- the two that you blame- the very same ones that
gave you your name
[Chorus:]
Go home to Mom and Dad and say your sorry,
It's the least that you can do, after all you've put them through.
Oh, come on.
Beg Mom and Dad's forgiveness, they deserve it.
Even if you don't mean it, make them believe you that it's true.
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#72
Read the first review by Lubos Motl:
Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: Red Hot Lies: How Global Warming Alarmists Use Threats, Fraud, and Deception to Keep You Misinformed
Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: Red Hot Lies: How Global Warming Alarmists Use Threats, Fraud, and Deception to Keep You Misinformed
During my years in the U.S. Academia, I experienced a couple of events related to the global warming propaganda that I found stunning. Scientists around me (including myself) were subjects of intimidation and disciplinary proceedings - or they were instantly fired - because of their skeptical views about the climate change (or even for skeptical results of their work).
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reminded me of 'into the night' by Benny Mardones
She's just sixteen years old
Leave her alone, they said
Separated by fools
Who don't know what love is yet
But I want you to know
If I could fly, I'd pick you up
I'd take you into the night
And show you a love
Like you've never seen, ever seen
It's like having a dream
Where nobody has a heart
It's like having it all
And watching it fall apart
And I would wait til the end of time for you
And do it again, it's true
I can't measure my love
There's nothing to compare it to
But I want you to know
If I could fly, I'd pick you up
I'd take you into the night
And show you a love, oh
If I could fly, I'd pick you up
I'd take you into the night
And show you a love
Like you've never seen, ever seen
If I could fly, I'd pick you up
I'd take you into the night
And show you a love, oh
If I could fly, I'd pick you up
And take you into the night
If I could fly, I'd pick you up
Oh, into the night, oh
I'd pick you up
She's just sixteen years old
Leave her alone, they said
Separated by fools
Who don't know what love is yet
But I want you to know
If I could fly, I'd pick you up
I'd take you into the night
And show you a love
Like you've never seen, ever seen
It's like having a dream
Where nobody has a heart
It's like having it all
And watching it fall apart
And I would wait til the end of time for you
And do it again, it's true
I can't measure my love
There's nothing to compare it to
But I want you to know
If I could fly, I'd pick you up
I'd take you into the night
And show you a love, oh
If I could fly, I'd pick you up
I'd take you into the night
And show you a love
Like you've never seen, ever seen
If I could fly, I'd pick you up
I'd take you into the night
And show you a love, oh
If I could fly, I'd pick you up
And take you into the night
If I could fly, I'd pick you up
Oh, into the night, oh
I'd pick you up
#75
My Dog Ate the Raw Data:
The Dog Ate Global Warming | Patrick J. Michaels | Cato Institute: Commentary
The Dog Ate Global Warming | Patrick J. Michaels | Cato Institute: Commentary
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climategate raw data lost - Google Search
AFAIK the hockey stick was created by using a different set of data to create the upturn. And an uptick at the end can be done by tweaking the polynomial fit functions (I'm well aware of this problem because I've done a lot of curve fitting to noisy data) .
Here is a discussion of the code to tweak the results into what was desired:
Cube Antics | The Proof Behind the CRU Climategate Debacle: Because Computers Do Lie When Humans Tell Them To
AFAIK the hockey stick was created by using a different set of data to create the upturn. And an uptick at the end can be done by tweaking the polynomial fit functions (I'm well aware of this problem because I've done a lot of curve fitting to noisy data) .
Here is a discussion of the code to tweak the results into what was desired:
Cube Antics | The Proof Behind the CRU Climategate Debacle: Because Computers Do Lie When Humans Tell Them To
CRU wasn't the only place making graphs. that is one model. and everything else (all the other models) still agree with the IPCC report.