Congrats California....you lose again
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I agree.
As far as the graph goes, how much of that is due to cleaner emissions cars in general, and not necessarily the CA emissions? I mean there how many cars were there in LA basin before catalytic converters were even installed on cars or emissions were even a concern? You may be seeing the effect of things being cleaner in general. Not necessarily from the CA standards, but from the car's being cleaner all the way around. The basin will always have smog, the main issue of the problem is where it situated.
As far as the graph goes, how much of that is due to cleaner emissions cars in general, and not necessarily the CA emissions? I mean there how many cars were there in LA basin before catalytic converters were even installed on cars or emissions were even a concern? You may be seeing the effect of things being cleaner in general. Not necessarily from the CA standards, but from the car's being cleaner all the way around. The basin will always have smog, the main issue of the problem is where it situated.
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Yuk, that picture of LA is gross. It looks like that around here sometimes, unfortunately. I remember driving through a valley here and seeing brown clouds floating above the fields and ****.
We only get air stagnation warnings like twice a year though luckily. The jet stream keeps our smog moving east as someone else noted =P
We only get air stagnation warnings like twice a year though luckily. The jet stream keeps our smog moving east as someone else noted =P
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The red brick buildings in Cleveland are black with soot unless they are either new or have been pressure washed recently. Kinda depressing. And not related to the use of automotive air conditioning.
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Acid rain is caused by all that smug blowing east. If they ban black/dark cars are they also banning...
1. Tar or dark roofing materials, shingles, tiles, etc.
2. Blacktop for roads/parking lots
3. Black car interiors
4. Dark exterior colors for house paint
Maybe CA politicians figure if they get the public in an uproar over little useless crap like this maybe the public will ignore the meaningful stuff, like the state being broke!
1. Tar or dark roofing materials, shingles, tiles, etc.
2. Blacktop for roads/parking lots
3. Black car interiors
4. Dark exterior colors for house paint
Maybe CA politicians figure if they get the public in an uproar over little useless crap like this maybe the public will ignore the meaningful stuff, like the state being broke!
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I can feel the loss of power when the A/C compressor kicks on, in the Miata, 4runner, and Saturn. Could be because they are all fairly gutless 4-cyls. But intuitively, if I have to open the throttle a bit more to maintain speed or accelerate at the same rate, then I am using more gas to travel the same distance.
First, there wouldn't be any consistency to that. My dad leaves the A/C on max almost all the time in his white car to get the interior temp down into the 60s, while I in my black vehicles use it enough to get things merely comfortable and then I dial it back.
Second, I would doubt the legitimacy of any "scientific testing" (if any) done by CARB because they are anything but a neutral party.
Compare that to Denver's measurements of tailpipe emissions. They've had a bit of a smog problem as well, and it's nowhere near as bad now as it was when I lived there in the early 90s. The CA graph shows days exceeding an arbitrary smog standard and the Denver one is actual emissions, but the comparison is valid if we're assuming that vehicles are the major cause of smog.
You'll note a remarkably similar downward trend, yet vehicles in Colorado are not subject to California regulations. One could therefore conclude that vehicles are generally cleaner across the board, and that stringency beyond the federal standards has very little to do with things being cleaner in CA or anywhere else today.
Despite CA's stringent standards, 5 of the top 10 most polluted cities in the country, and 16 of the top 25 most polluted counties in terms of particulates and ozone, are in California. That is recent data (2007/08) from the American Lung Association BTW. If you merely looked at CA's smog graph that ends at 1998 and extrapolated, you might assume that by now, 10+ years later, it would be a Utopia of cleanliness.
And since Vash's comment about the state controlling your thermostat flew mostly under the radar:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/11/us/11control.html
I linked to the NY Times version so the left-wingers will know it's true and unbiased. Every time I see something like that I laugh at CA and the sheeple who allow their govt to control them to that extent.
Have they concluded, in a scientific test, that people with black cars use the A/C more than any other color?
Second, I would doubt the legitimacy of any "scientific testing" (if any) done by CARB because they are anything but a neutral party.
You'll note a remarkably similar downward trend, yet vehicles in Colorado are not subject to California regulations. One could therefore conclude that vehicles are generally cleaner across the board, and that stringency beyond the federal standards has very little to do with things being cleaner in CA or anywhere else today.
Despite CA's stringent standards, 5 of the top 10 most polluted cities in the country, and 16 of the top 25 most polluted counties in terms of particulates and ozone, are in California. That is recent data (2007/08) from the American Lung Association BTW. If you merely looked at CA's smog graph that ends at 1998 and extrapolated, you might assume that by now, 10+ years later, it would be a Utopia of cleanliness.
And since Vash's comment about the state controlling your thermostat flew mostly under the radar:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/11/us/11control.html
I linked to the NY Times version so the left-wingers will know it's true and unbiased. Every time I see something like that I laugh at CA and the sheeple who allow their govt to control them to that extent.
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it would be awesome if you stuck two ***** in your mouth.
also:
Black is back for California drivers (actually, it never left) | Up to Speed | Los Angeles Times
also:
Black is back for California drivers (actually, it never left) | Up to Speed | Los Angeles Times
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it would be awesome if you stuck two ***** in your mouth.
also:
Black is back for California drivers (actually, it never left) | Up to Speed | Los Angeles Times
also:
Black is back for California drivers (actually, it never left) | Up to Speed | Los Angeles Times
The most foolish part of the story is the lack of understanding by the pollution control fanatics of the basic design of automotive air conditioning systems. Auto A/C compressors are always cycling on and off, but when your car is cooler inside, you are mixing hot air from the heater core to moderate the temperature. So you are cooling the air at the maximum capacity to do so, and then adding a little heat back into it.
In a house, by comparison, you only blow cooled air and then shut off airflow until additional cooling is needed. No mixing occurs.
With the home system, reduced cycling will show benefits in reduced energy usage, but until fundamental changes occur in the design of auto A/C systems, you can't fix it by making a more reflective car.
The policy makers are simply ignorant.
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I guess the size of the car interior isn't enough thermal mass to maintain a constant enough temperature.
as a crazy environmentalist liberal type, even I know when something is not a significant enough contribution to the greater good to warrant restricting the choice of a color of your car.
it's like this newsletter my gf got that said not to wet your toothbrush before brushing your teeth to save a teaspoon of water. what the ****. how about I just drink 7.75 cups of water a day instead of 8?
as a crazy environmentalist liberal type, even I know when something is not a significant enough contribution to the greater good to warrant restricting the choice of a color of your car.
it's like this newsletter my gf got that said not to wet your toothbrush before brushing your teeth to save a teaspoon of water. what the ****. how about I just drink 7.75 cups of water a day instead of 8?