Evolution is NOT a Science
10-17-2009, 06:45 PM
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Antibiotic Resistance of Bacteria: An Example of Evolution in Action? - Answers in Genesis
"The mechanisms of mutation and natural selection aid bacteria populations in becoming resistant to antibiotics. However, mutation and natural selection also result in bacteria with defective proteins that have lost their normal functions.
Evolution requires a gain of functional systems for bacteria to evolve into man—functioning arms, eyeballs, and a brain, to name a few.
Mutation and natural selection, thought to be the driving forces of evolution, only lead to a loss of functional systems. Therefore, antibiotic resistance of bacteria is not an example of evolution in action but rather variation within a bacterial kind. It is also a testimony to the wonderful design God gave bacteria, master adapters and survivors in a sin-cursed world."
Thanks, I never would have known that otherwise. I never knew the bacteria lost anything by being more resistant.
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10-17-2009, 06:50 PM
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Edit: gotta respond to the post just over this.
To whom do they speak? People who understand the concept behind evolution quickly identifies that as utter bullshit. And their regular fanbase doesn't really need any more brainwashing I would presume.
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10-17-2009, 06:53 PM
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Its hard to distinguish adaptation from evolution, but I still feel its more adaptation than evolution. Evolution I think is more broad and universal to a species/life form as a whole. Bacteria and Viruses only change in their strain. The rest adapt to their situation accordingly.
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10-17-2009, 07:01 PM
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I mean, there is a lot, a whole lot... in fact, all the scientific evidence that exists in nature points to evolution. As for creationism, there tend to be a lot of explanations constructed to explain why the evidence points elsewhere. Usually it is something like "god works in mysterious ways".
I know that it is impossible to prove that god doesnt exist, and I respect that a lot of people need or want to have faith in god, allah, buddha, trees and rocks, asgard and whatnot. What gets to me is the tendency to toss evidence aside because it doesnt fit the model of life one believes in.
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10-17-2009, 07:06 PM
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IMHO faith is an outdated concept, a leftover from the time when early humans couldn't explain what was going on around them (the sun comes up, it rains, thunder, etc.) and made up characters and stories to explain it away as some sort of magic. Now we know better, but we have yet to fully graduate from our collective need for some other explanation.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to pray for my team to win, do a rain dance, and sacrifice a peasant to the sun god.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to pray for my team to win, do a rain dance, and sacrifice a peasant to the sun god.
You have no concept of the irony you have just presented me with; Faith stems from the right side of the brain, the emotional side. Reason, obviously the left side. How would you exist as a human being without a balance of both? Before you answer, consider the fact that you answered with an emotional response, sarcasm. If faith is an outdated concept, you had better forget using sarcasm or wit, and just stick with the facts.
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10-17-2009, 07:08 PM
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Well, from my understanding (I'm a medical student, not a biologist) bacteria evolves their own toxins as well as resistances. This is similar to a mammal evolving claws in my book, even if the claw-thing is a little more complex.
Adaptation and evolution is the same thing, adaptation is the evolving of a lifeform.
(If I mix stuff up, I apologize, english is not my native language).
Edit: fahrvergnugen>> It is actually nice to find a creationist that is reasonable enough not to burst into flames when evolution is the subject.
If i might clarify my previous statement about faith and reason. What I meant is that when reason tells you that your viewpoint on something is wrong (i.e. evidence presents itself about it), then you change your beliefs into what seems most reasonable then. That is the way of good science. Very few scientists are refusing to change their beliefs about something when presented with solid evidence. I suppose what I really meant was blind faith.
Adaptation and evolution is the same thing, adaptation is the evolving of a lifeform.
(If I mix stuff up, I apologize, english is not my native language).
Edit: fahrvergnugen>> It is actually nice to find a creationist that is reasonable enough not to burst into flames when evolution is the subject.
If i might clarify my previous statement about faith and reason. What I meant is that when reason tells you that your viewpoint on something is wrong (i.e. evidence presents itself about it), then you change your beliefs into what seems most reasonable then. That is the way of good science. Very few scientists are refusing to change their beliefs about something when presented with solid evidence. I suppose what I really meant was blind faith.
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10-17-2009, 07:11 PM
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Well, from my understanding (I'm a medical student, not a biologist) bacteria evolves their own toxins as well as resistances. This is similar to a mammal evolving claws in my book, even if the claw-thing is a little more complex.
Adaptation and evolution is the same thing, adaptation is the evolving of a lifeform.
(If I mix stuff up, I apologize, english is not my native language).
Adaptation and evolution is the same thing, adaptation is the evolving of a lifeform.
(If I mix stuff up, I apologize, english is not my native language).
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10-17-2009, 07:13 PM
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How many ******* times do I have to say this... Bacteria and virus and all that bullshit is nothing but the devil's work drifting you all away from the light they dont contribute ($$) anything to the church, they are not mentioned in the bible. Therefore Bacteria, and Virus are not life-forms and evolutions does not exist.
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10-17-2009, 07:16 PM
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How many ******* times do I have to say this... Bacteria and virus and all that bullshit is nothing but the devil's work drifting you all away from the light they dont contribute ($$) anything to the church, they are not mentioned in the bible. Therefore Bacteria, and Virus are not life-forms and evolutions does not exist.
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10-17-2009, 07:25 PM
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But like you said, its a complexity thing. That would be like saying growing a new skin cell over damaged tissue is evolution. Or white blood cells fighting off a virus. Something on that small of a scale and so simple in design, I can't really accept as evolution. Our bodies create things but its adaptation not evolution. Each individual does its own thing, its not on a population wide scale.
I think I might have been unclear. Its not evolution in the individual, but adaptaton is part of evolution. Adaptation is a random event though when evolution on the other hand is pure fitness. We are saying the exact same thing
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10-17-2009, 07:28 PM
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Not exactly. It would be more like the new skin that healed over the wound would develop greater elasticity or become harder or something similar. But that cannot happen. What could happen is that in a harsh enviroment, where one would get cuts and scratches all the time, that could lead to life threatening infections, the individuals with the most tough skin would survive in greater percentage. The adaptation (having tough skin bcause of some random DNA-change) leads to better survival, the adapted lifeforms will dominate the habitat = evolution.
I think I might have been unclear. Its not evolution in the individual, but adaptaton is part of evolution. Adaptation is a random event though when evolution on the other hand is pure fitness. We are saying the exact same thing
I think I might have been unclear. Its not evolution in the individual, but adaptaton is part of evolution. Adaptation is a random event though when evolution on the other hand is pure fitness. We are saying the exact same thing
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10-17-2009, 07:34 PM
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NO genetic change can ever affect a whole speices in a given moment, this stuff takes time.
Could have been what you meant, I just wanted to clarify.
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10-17-2009, 07:39 PM
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It always start in an indvidual, and then this individuals offspring survives to a greater extent than their fellows. After a while, some ten to thousands of generations depending on the spieces i presume, the change in genes that was the adaptation, will be present in the whole speices. Because of this mutation meaning "less dying" or better fitness.
NO genetic change can ever affect a whole speices in a given moment, this stuff takes time.
Could have been what you meant, I just wanted to clarify.
NO genetic change can ever affect a whole speices in a given moment, this stuff takes time.
Could have been what you meant, I just wanted to clarify.
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10-17-2009, 07:44 PM
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Whatever you guys can discuss all your discovery channel theories over and over again. Baby Jesus Christ is gonna get upset one of these days and will turn all non-believer into chimps, and then put them in the zoo for all the enlighten ones to compel upon your lost souls. Im gonna pray for you all.
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10-17-2009, 07:47 PM
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Whatever you guys can discuss all your discovery channel theories over and over again. Baby Jesus Christ is gonna get upset one of these days and will turn all non-believer into chimps, and then put them in the zoo for all the enlighten ones to compel upon your lost souls. Im gonna pray for you all.
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10-17-2009, 08:01 PM
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Whatever you guys can discuss all your discovery channel theories over and over again. Baby Jesus Christ is gonna get upset one of these days and will turn all non-believer into chimps, and then put them in the zoo for all the enlighten ones to compel upon your lost souls. Im gonna pray for you all.
On another note, I just remembered something funny my middle school math teacher said. He's almost bald, so therefor he's more evolved than all those hairy people. It was his excuse for having a horrible comb over.
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