Originally Posted by naarleven
they want to believe in a secret society ruling everything.
Griffin doesn't say anything about "ruling everything". He said the world has 3 major factions - the theocracies (e.g. Isamic countries), the Leninists (e.g. Cuba, China), and the "Rhodes-ians" (e.g. western countries). He never said "ruling everything", he more says "huge influence".
... My best friend has been on an alien rant lately, telling me all this evidence for government cover-ups.
If one is convinced that certain secret societies existed in history (several have come and gone), what does that have to do with "aliens"?
That would be like a soccer mom neighbor accusing you, an autocrosser, of being "one of those dangerous speeding street racers".
Is it impossible for a secret or semi-secret society to exist, just because you can't imagine how they might operate? (e.g. "that's like conspiracy-alien talk!) If such a secret or semi-secret society existed for several generations existed, is it impossible that their philosophies have spread?
Let's take a non secret society, the MADD (mothers against drunk driving). If you study their early work, they did good stuff (targeting truly drunk driving). After they achieved their success, they continued on and successfully lobbied to lower the legal BAC limit to 0.08%. If you study the literature, you'll find that the vast majority of drunk driving crashes are with drivers way over 0.12%. The crash *rates* of drivers at 0.08 to 0.10 are *lower* than sober drivers. So a lot of safe drivers are being arrested and charged, at great expense to these individuals to hire lawyers, pay more insurance, etc. It has become a huge money machine for the courts, cities, insurance cos, lawyers, et al.
Now this society, MADD, has successfully spread the philosophy that all "drinking and driving is evil" and "you are a criminal for driving at 0.08". Note that MADD started out doing real good work...
Let's pretend that MADD stayed secret or semi-secret, that it was a group of concerned influential citizens, and achieved the same goals. They believed in the goodness of what they were doing.
Would their secrecy have invalidated their existence? If one studied the progression of anti drunk driving, and found a consistent pattern that shows a small group of people was the source, would that be beyond the realm of possibility?
What if the Neocons (Rove, Cheney), had never come out with their PNAC (project for a new american century), and nobody figured out where all this pro war imperialist rhetoric came from, does it mean such a group never existed?
People are so inured to hare-brained crazy theories of "one small group rules the whole world" that they automatically and summarily reject any notion of small influential groups.