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Old 04-09-2013, 09:13 AM
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Any of you guys regret depowering the PS?

I'm thinking about gutting the whole system, with the welded input shaft and all.

My main reason is he PS belt. Damn thing keeps jumping off. I have adjusted the pump pulley orientation a dozen times so far, and it still jumps.
Latest incident was yesterday on the freeway. I did a quick redline pull in 3rd and 4th, and it flew off as I lifted.

Best luck I had with the thing was when I used a 3 rib belt (3PK850). It would move around, but it held on for quite a while before liberating itself off the pulley.
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just redo your caster and you wont really notice.
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Thanks Scott...
I read about the 3.5 degree caster angle, and I'll definitely do that.

My question is, would I have a hard time with 225/40R16 tires, say, parallel parking in a tight spot?

Is the difference "not noticeable" in very slow speeds, or with the car not moving at all, too?

(This is a convenience question. I do not suffer from the spaghetti arm syndrome. I can still break a pair of pliers with my bare hands.)
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Originally Posted by Godless Commie
Any of you guys regret depowering the PS?
Y E S.

I'm thinking about gutting the whole system, with the welded input shaft and all.
I depowered my rack, removed the plungers, welded/plugged the oil holes, welded the shaft. not difficult.

Originally Posted by Braineack
just redo your caster and you wont really notice.
Fuckstick at the alignment place could only get 4.5 on my car. I think he failed. I think he lied to me on the results sheet and it's much more than 4.5, cause the caster bolts were almost maxed in the wrong direction.

Originally Posted by Godless Commie
Thanks Scott...
I read about the 3.5 degree caster angle, and I'll definitely do that.
I'm installing the newer spec alignment bolts today after work then going to a different shop to attempt to get 3-3.5 degrees caster. I hope that will help my situation. If not, I will find a way to reinstall power steering, cause this ish sucks big time. Hopefully I would trade even up my depowered rack for someone's powered rack again.

My question is, would I have a hard time with 225/40R16 tires, say, parallel parking in a tight spot?

Is the difference "not noticeable" in very slow speeds, or with the car not moving at all, too?

(This is a convenience question. I do not suffer from the spaghetti arm syndrome. I can still break a pair of pliers with my bare hands.)
I have spaghetti arms. It's difficult everywhere. I can lift myself out of the seat while attempting to turn the wheel when backing out of my driveway.
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This is something to think about now.
Thanks Tim.

I live in a 640 year old neighborhood. The streets are pretty much like cross between a Fellini movie and a documentary of the early childhood days of Alex Zanardi. Inconvenience in terms of steering effort is the last thing I would want around there.
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sometimes I think of going back to PS, since it's a DD street car. But then that's a lot of extra effort as well.
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You mean that coupon? Shoot me a pm and I can forward you the email with the jack coupon in it.
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On a tangent, do you guys have any fore-aft play in your pump pulley?

Mine moves about 2-3 mm with the belt off. (I doubt fore&aft play would make the belt jump, tho.)
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wtf

Even when I just removed the power steering belt in my PS rack, it wasn't hard to turn. Now that I've depowered, etc. etc., it's an absolute breeze. What kind of spaghetti arms do people have?
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Mine's hard to steer even at speed. Like off ramps are no fun anymore. I'm sad.
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At least make an intro thread before you start spamming.

This is the ramble on thread, not the 'noobs spam this **** up so you can sell your shitty supercharger kit' thread.
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
Am I the only one who is annoyed that whereas you used to be able to walk into any post office, pick up a change of address packet and find a "10% off your whole order" coupon from Lowes, the packet now contains a card which gives you a link to a website where you can register for the coupon?

Kind of sucks when unforeseen circumstances require that a large purchase be made at Lowes on short order (eg: sudden failure of a major home appliance) and you don't have time to wait 3-7 days for them to email you a code.

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Originally Posted by Godless Commie
Any of you guys regret depowering the PS?

I'm thinking about gutting the whole system, with the welded input shaft and all.

My main reason is he PS belt. Damn thing keeps jumping off. I have adjusted the pump pulley orientation a dozen times so far, and it still jumps.
Latest incident was yesterday on the freeway. I did a quick redline pull in 3rd and 4th, and it flew off as I lifted.

Best luck I had with the thing was when I used a 3 rib belt (3PK850). It would move around, but it held on for quite a while before liberating itself off the pulley.
I would never, ever want a manual-steered daily driver.
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I put P/S back on my car. Quite a chore to swap it all over, but not having it ruined the steering wheel. The extra effort caused the cover to separate from the core.
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I've been driving around my buddies '94 with manual steering for the last week. It has put hair on my chest and prepared me for depowering my car. I'm looking to do the AbsurdFlow/Wittyworks low mount tubular mani, so all the AC/power steering stuff will have to go.
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4 more hours until I replace my alignment bolts. I will place them all where the old eccentrics were except for the front caster bolts (rear position bolts on the front), which I will put so I get the minimum amount of caster, and report back tonight.

Now to look up the torque spec on those bolts.
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If you have trouble steering a miata, I doubt you can even reach the minimal torque spec, which is tight as **** and then some
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Quite true, which is why my car goes clunkclunk when I turn it now. I tried fixing it in my garage, but was barely able to loosen the nuts, and one side I couldn't rotate the bolt after I loosened the nut, and then wasn't able to torque them properly, with my standard length 3/8 ratchet.

But at my dad's shop he has some long pipe to help.
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went and looked at what is to become my new DD, a 06 speed 6 grand touring. 113k miles, had the vvt actuator and rear motor mount down at 105k. i was blown away by the toque that car puts down, which lead my to wonder why the mzr swap isnt done by more people. i see just the one drift car. car is in almost perfect shape, adult owned 2 owner car with most of the maintenance records(big stuff,not oil changes and brakes and such).going to definitely be an upgrade from the 03 eclipse gts that we sold before moving. picking it up saturday morning, im excited, and that means the miata project will be getting started soon.
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Lack of mzr swaps: Turboing is cheaper, so if you are going to go through with all the work you might as well do an LSx.
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