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Old 02-16-2015, 01:51 PM   #21761
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How do you put a price on sanity?

Considering applying for a salary job. Range of salary depending on experience/location is $58.5-73k w/ up to 10% quarterly bonuses.

After a couple years would bump up into next range which is $69-86.5k, 12.5% quarterly bonus.

I can do the job, and do it well. But i'm not sure if i want to. Even if i'm iffy on it, it won't stop me from knocking it out of the park, i've been excelling at a job i hate for years.

It would suck, would require long hours, probably working some at home (no big deal, Crystal is in night school anyways), but what i'm most worried about is being held liable for the morons that i currently work with, since they'd all of a sudden be working under me. Then there's the politics involved when trying to remove dead wood.

I dunno. I like money, but i don't like working.
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Serious question: Is $60-80k a lot where you love in terms of salary vs. cost-of-living?
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Considering applying for a salary job. Range of salary depending on experience/location is $58.5-73k w/ up to 10% quarterly bonuses.

After a couple years would bump up into next range which is $69-86.5k, 12.5% quarterly bonus.
If that's more than you make on hourly, or have the possibility of making on hourly then why not? I learned a long time ago never to say no to more money. In business, it's kind of expected that if they 'give you more' then you need 'to do more'. You figure out what the more is...

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It would suck, would require long hours, probably working some at home (no big deal, Crystal is in night school anyways), but what i'm most worried about is being held liable for the morons that i currently work with, since they'd all of a sudden be working under me. Then there's the politics involved when trying to remove dead wood.
Life sucks... My feeling on the same thing was; if I didn't take it/apply for it then I had to accept whoever became the boss or leave if I didn't like him. Someone's going to be the boss. It may as well be you.

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Then there's the politics involved when trying to remove dead wood.
**** the politics. That's what strangles most companies.
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Serious question: Is $60-80k a lot where you love in terms of salary vs. cost-of-living?
I'll answer that with a quote, and just say that i can buy a pretty decent house for under $100k.

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The U.S. Census Bureau's 2007-2011 American Community Survey indicated the median household income for Indianapolis city was $42,704, and the median family income was $53,161.[37] Median income for males working full-time, year-round, was $42,101, compared to $34,788 for females. Per capita income for the city was $24,430, 14.7 percent of families and 18.9 percent of the city's total population living below the poverty line (28.3 percent were under the age of 18 and 9.2 percent were age 65 or older.

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If that's more than you make on hourly, or have the possibility of making on hourly then why not? I learned a long time ago never to say no to more money. In business, it's kind of expected that if they 'give you more' then you need 'to do more'. You figure out what the more is...
It's quite a bit more. I'm cool with doing more. I've been "doing more" when compared to my job description since i walked in the door here 8 years ago.



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Life sucks... My feeling on the same thing was; if I didn't take it/apply for it then I had to accept whoever became the boss or leave if I didn't like him. Someone's going to be the boss. It may as well be you.
I don't really care who i work for in my current function. I could do my job shitfaced with a kilo of coke up my nose and still knock out 200% production at 100% quality and never hear a word from my boss. The reality is that if i don't like whomever i'd be working for (i don't particularly like my boss right now), i can quite easily become "invisible" and never have to speak to them.



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**** the politics. That's what strangles most companies.
And exactly why i'm torn.
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Old 02-16-2015, 02:28 PM   #21765
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Take the promotion. The promotion will benefit you if you ever do need to look for different employment. Think long, not short. Show others that you were considered promotable. And then show them that you can do a good job at this management level for a few years. Then you may look elsewhere with a management background under your belt.
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Considering applying for a salary job.
This is at the same place as you are currently?

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I dunno. I like money, but i don't like working.
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And exactly why i'm torn.
The politics are there regardless and when you become the boss you get more friends then you ever hoped for.

I guess I must be at the older been there part of my life. With benefit of hindsight, I'd opt for more money. Sure as hell buys more car parts!

I'd insert the usual quote about money and happiness but most of those quotes all came from someone with a lot of money at the time of the quote.

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Old 02-16-2015, 03:20 PM   #21767
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Take the promotion. The promotion will benefit you if you ever do need to look for different employment. Think long, not short. Show others that you were considered promotable. And then show them that you can do a good job at this management level for a few years. Then you may look elsewhere with a management background under your belt.
This. Nailed it.

Currently waiting to get a promotion at my current place so we can back up and move out of town.
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Old 02-17-2015, 12:12 AM   #21768
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Yes, do it. If you stay at your current level eventually you will be working for someone younger, look around, and realize you've fallen off the advancement train. Once you do that it's hard to get back on. Moving to a new job, they will wonder why you haven't advanced. It will be a question in their minds and it will be hard to assuage them.

Be the boss. Weild the power. Take your minions to the promised land of high productivity, good workplace morale, and a boss they can trust.

Your comfort in your current position is exactly why you need to move up.
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Was it Netgear? That's a known issue, will brick the unit, yet they won't do a damn thing about it.
Yep, Netgear. WNR2000v4 to be exact. I can maybe reflash it with the firmware tool/TFTP but I don't know if I trust it anymore. I'm back on a WRT54G I had stashed in the garage just to make things work again.

Not sure if I want to go out a buy a fancy *** Asus or something else. We'll see.
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Yes, do it. If you stay at your current level eventually you will be working for someone younger, look around, and realize you've fallen off the advancement train. Once you do that it's hard to get back on. Moving to a new job, they will wonder why you haven't advanced. It will be a question in their minds and it will be hard to assuage them.

Be the boss. Weild the power. Take your minions to the promised land of high productivity, good workplace morale, and a boss they can trust.

Your comfort in your current position is exactly why you need to move up.

To be clear, it's not a guaranteed position.

The other thing i'm weighing is that after the manager position is filled, there will be two Operations Experts positions (which are typically the next step up from my position), and one Project Manager position that will be posted.

I would quite honestly prefer one of the later positions.

I dunno. I hate corporate america and just need to work for myself or something.

I appreciate everyone's input.
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Old 02-17-2015, 11:45 AM   #21771
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To be clear, it's not a guaranteed position.

The other thing i'm weighing is that after the manager position is filled, there will be two Operations Experts positions (which are typically the next step up from my position), and one Project Manager position that will be posted.

I would quite honestly prefer one of the later positions.

I dunno. I hate corporate america and just need to work for myself or something.

I appreciate everyone's input.
Becoming the boss isn't easy, but somebody has to do it. If people never took over positions, companies wouldn't last very long. There's those who rise to the occasion and those who cower at the thought. Which one are you?

I'll speak from my own personal experience by saying this; When a golden opportunity rises and all you have to do is try, why not?

Taking over this company has been one of the best things that's ever happened to me. There's no guarantee this is a set future for me either, its up to me to make that happen. If I fail, I fail everyone. 50 years in business and a solid rep, you think I want to be that guy that ***** it up?

Its stressful and time consuming to the fullest. There's no more "hours", its always on your mind. No more "job titles", you do it all. Work politics? You'll end up having to deal with **** you never imagined possible with employees. Wait until you have to fire someone that really needs that job, but sucks at it.

Fact of the matter is, being the boss is tough. People will respect it as well as others may hate it. In reality, when you sign the checks and keep the doors open, no matter how anyone else feels, you feel the best. Seek out to better the business and make it your own if possible, its euphoric at times. So long as you have good ethics and always do right by your customers, keep your employees as happy as one can, never forgetting where you came from, it will work.
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Browsing through Facebook.

Come across some photos of a girl you knew in high school, who used to be hot.

20 years later, she's now married to your old college roommate, and has turned into a walrus.

Think "Wow, I dodged a bullet on that one!"
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My wife was hot once, too. But looks fade, and that doesn't matter as much as the qualities I married her for, which are still there.
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What's with the recent movement which glorifies fat, ugly women and tries to convince us as a society that our preexisting perceptions as to what constitutes "beauty" are wrong, that we are wrong to hold them, and that they must change to include body shapes which are obese to the point of posing a danger to health?
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What's with the recent movement which glorifies fat, ugly women and tries to convince us as a society that our preexisting perceptions as to what constitutes "beauty" are wrong, that we are wrong to hold them, and that they must change to include body shapes which are obese to the point of posing a danger to health?
Because more cushion for the pushin.
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I may or may not have hooked up with a fat girl once.

It was NOT FUN. Sobered up real quick.

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What's with the recent movement which glorifies fat, ugly women and tries to convince us as a society that our preexisting perceptions as to what constitutes "beauty" are wrong, that we are wrong to hold them, and that they must change to include body shapes which are obese to the point of posing a danger to health?
It's a participation trophy.

When non-aspirational behavior is rewarded and glorified more individuals will choose to be non-aspirational. Sow-reap, cause-effect, blahblahblah. It's all part of the "You should not judge me for my choices" and "All choices are not better or worse than each other, just different" pop-psych garbage that was originally introduced by the hard left in the late 50's and early 60's to undermine our value system and reduce our competitiveness. They were devoted to the long range plan and we are mostly sheep so it worked, for the most part.
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Browsing through Facebook.

Come across some photos of a girl you knew in high school, who used to be hot.

20 years later, she's now married to your old college roommate, and has turned into a walrus.

Think "Wow, I dodged a bullet on that one!"

Hell, I graduated in 2008, and there's a handful that are already there.


On another note.

I want to see this.

No official release date as of yet.
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It's all part of the "You should not judge me for my choices" and "All choices are not better or worse than each other, just different" pop-psych garbage that was originally introduced by the hard left in the late 50's and early 60's to undermine our value system and reduce our competitiveness. They were devoted to the long range plan and we are mostly sheep so it worked, for the most part.
Reference excerpt from the 1958 list of Communist goals as read into the congressional record in January 1963:
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17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
The full list is here: Communist Goals - 1963 Congressional Record
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