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Old 08-24-2016, 04:31 PM   #26501
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Yeah. I have expressed my sadness over my 2012 2.0. I want a 2.5 but don't want to pay the difference at this point.
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In other news, here is my open letter to the next generation of designers:

1. Revision clouds are not "bubbles."
2. Use revision clouds when you revise drawings.
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In other news, here is my open letter to the next generation of designers:

1. Revision clouds are not "bubbles."
2. Use revision clouds when you revise drawings.
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1. may be pedantic. 2. is a legitimate aggravation.
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Lets pretend I have an SSD that does not respond to the SECURE-ERASE command and the manufacturer has decided not to provide a tool that will allow me to blank out the drive. Could I be confident that the previous data on said SSD has been expunged simply by completely filling the drive with gibberish data? Like with say 120gb of WPA2 encrypted .pcap captures?
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If you're concerned about an attack by an opponent with significant resources (eg: NSA), then you cannot be 100% confident in such a method, because you don't know where the wear-leveling mechanism is actually writing those blocks. Hammers work much better for that sort of thing.
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Lets pretend I have an SSD that does not respond to the SECURE-ERASE command and the manufacturer has decided not to provide a tool that will allow me to blank out the drive. Could I be confident that the previous data on said SSD has been expunged simply by completely filling the drive with gibberish data? Like with say 120gb of WPA2 encrypted .pcap captures?
You know what you have to do if you REALLY want to be sure.

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I'm assuming that, ignoring a general lack of enjoyment that one experiences when accelerating through the gears in a continuously variable gearbox, he is biased against CVTs because of their historically abysmal reliability record.

I'll start seriously considering a CVT in new/used vehicle purchases when they start showing up in full size trucks. When the Silverado, F-150, Sierra, Tundra, Ram, or Titan start rolling off of the factory with CVTs installed, then I'll recognize that the technology is probably ready for prime-time.

Unfortunately for CVT enthusiasts, Ford's line-up includes a 10-speed automatic transmission this year, which suggests to me that they think CVT may never be ready for a reliability showdown.
We have a brand new 2016 Outback 3.6r.

The driving experience is pretty good. You roll into the throttle a bit, the CVT just uses the torque of the 6, keeps the rpm's reasonably low, and the car feels like it has endless torque. It scoots. Accidental wheelspin in a good way kind of scoots. You drive it easy, it stays around 900-1100 rpm, everything's calm, gets good mileage.

I didn't realize it was a cvt when we first bought it. I like it, so far.

Waiting for a CVT to go into the full-size pickups before buying is a false analogy. Those are totally different applications. CVT's have not been, are currently not, and never will be built for towing applications. Towing is a heavier-duty application than they will ever be designed for, imo. We will see hybrid trucks before we see cvt trucks. If CVT were a good solution for high-torque towing, the railroads would have one in a locomotive instead of the diesel-electric tech they have used for the last 80 years. It's just not going to happen.

It works well for what it's used in now - light to moderate duty passenger applications (now that they have a decade of experience in them).
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If you're concerned about an attack by an opponent with significant resources (eg: NSA), then you cannot be 100% confident in such a method, because you don't know where the wear-leveling mechanism is actually writing those blocks. Hammers work much better for that sort of thing.
I just realized I don't know how SSDs internally provision block space so in reality, there might be a few extra gigs worth of space in the drive that it uses for wear compensation so even overwriting the "entire drive" may not be the "entire drive." While the hammer is effective, the sad truth is I have about 50 of these things that need to be retired. If I could be reasonably sure the data was purged I could donate them to one of the local non profits who build computers and do basic training for the unwashed masses. They would absolutely love to have these things, but I can't do it if I'm not reasonably sure they are clean.

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You know what you have to do if you REALLY want to be sure.
I also have access to a ridiculously giant press and a series of arbor punches. If it comes to that I'll take the GoPro over to the shop and make some videos


Also, the new router seems to be working REALLY ******* WELL



I was pulling 17/15 wired on my WRT54GL. This can't possibly be right, can it?
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I also have access to a ridiculously giant press and a series of arbor punches. If it comes to that I'll take the GoPro over to the shop and make some videos
I wouldn't use a pickaxe, it'd be difficult to make sure you speared every single individual flash chip through the die rather than just the package.

For spinning media, the simple way is a drill press. Put 8-10 half-inch holes through the platter and nothing useful is coming off of it.

With an SSD, if I was really concerned about the data, I'd burn it.

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I have a gripe with a cvt I have driven. On a business trip to ABQ, Hertz gave me a Jeep Compass. With any conventional transmission maintaining a relatively consistent travel speed on level ground involves applying a fixed amount of throttle. But not with the Chrysler cvt trans! It constantly diddles with the ratios yielding a 10 to 15 mph variation out of a single throttle position at interstate speeds. It was very annoying on a one hour interstate trip and necessitated the use of the cruise control to avoid frustration. Hopefully other manufacturers are doing a better job.
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If I could be reasonably sure the data was purged
If you delete all the data, then fill the drive to capacity with garbage, then repeat once, you can be reasonably sure that no one is going to recover the original data to probably 99% certainty unless they have the resources of a large corporation or government behind them, know exactly what they're looking for, and really want it quite badly.

The hammer & fire method is for when the FBI knows for a fact that you've been selling Hillary's emails to
Russia, and all they need is a few kilobytes to send you to a federal prison for the rest of your life.
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I have a gripe with a cvt I have driven. On a business trip to ABQ, Hertz gave me a Jeep Compass. With any conventional transmission maintaining a relatively consistent travel speed on level ground involves applying a fixed amount of throttle. But not with the Chrysler cvt trans! It constantly diddles with the ratios yielding a 10 to 15 mph variation out of a single throttle position at interstate speeds. It was very annoying on a one hour interstate trip and necessitated the use of the cruise control to avoid frustration. Hopefully other manufacturers are doing a better job.
This is also my biggest CVT gripe. As drivers with more than 3 hours of lifetime experience behind the wheel, we've achieved the ability to maintain a speed within an impressively small margin of error based on auditory cues alone, regardless of changes in our ascent rate, wind conditions, or air pressure differentials. The CVT has stolen that from us. I have found that when I'm piloting a CVT equipped vehicle, my eyes tend to drift downward towards the speedometer at a far greater frequency - whereas I might check my speed every couple of miles while maintaining a fixed gear selection on an interstate, it becomes 2-3 checks per vehicle pass with a CVT; otherwise I find myself slowing down/speeding up based on what the car beside me might be doing - which is pretty close to my #1 send-me-through-the-roof-pet-peeve when other drivers do it.

That, and as Mobius admitted, CVTs will never be as reliable as the gear-based boxes that we all grew up with.
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Old 08-25-2016, 12:08 PM   #26514
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Took my mother out with me to my bar that I go to. She normally tells me that she can drink me under the table, can't hang etc etc. She sang karaoke and was a big hit singing '*****' and 'dragula'. Towards the end of the night, she couldn't find her car



/ramble, she got home safe
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Old 08-25-2016, 02:54 PM   #26515
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We have a brand new 2016 Outback 3.6r.

The driving experience is pretty good. You roll into the throttle a bit, the CVT just uses the torque of the 6, keeps the rpm's reasonably low, and the car feels like it has endless torque. It scoots. Accidental wheelspin in a good way kind of scoots. You drive it easy, it stays around 900-1100 rpm, everything's calm, gets good mileage.

I didn't realize it was a cvt when we first bought it. I like it, so far.

Waiting for a CVT to go into the full-size pickups before buying is a false analogy. Those are totally different applications. CVT's have not been, are currently not, and never will be built for towing applications. Towing is a heavier-duty application than they will ever be designed for, imo. We will see hybrid trucks before we see cvt trucks. If CVT were a good solution for high-torque towing, the railroads would have one in a locomotive instead of the diesel-electric tech they have used for the last 80 years. It's just not going to happen.

It works well for what it's used in now - light to moderate duty passenger applications (now that they have a decade of experience in them).
I'm really really glad you guys got the 3.6R. The 2.5 is not nearly as pleasant, especially under moderate to heavy acceleration.

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I have a gripe with a cvt I have driven. On a business trip to ABQ, Hertz gave me a Jeep Compass. With any conventional transmission maintaining a relatively consistent travel speed on level ground involves applying a fixed amount of throttle. But not with the Chrysler cvt trans! It constantly diddles with the ratios yielding a 10 to 15 mph variation out of a single throttle position at interstate speeds. It was very annoying on a one hour interstate trip and necessitated the use of the cruise control to avoid frustration. Hopefully other manufacturers are doing a better job.
The compass is entirely substandard in every other possible measure. The transmission is no exception. literally every manufacturer that does a CVT does it better than the one in the Jeep Compass.
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the railroads would have one in a locomotive instead of the diesel-electric tech they have used for the last 80 years. It's just not going to happen.
Locomotives use diesel electric because it's a whole lot easier to put electric motors next to the wheels than it is to have the necessary mechanical linkages for 3 powered axles on each of 2 independently pivotable trucks (total of 12 driven wheels).

But yeah, CVTs are not for towing.

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The compass JEEP is entirely substandard in every other possible measure. The transmission'S ALL SUCK is no exception. Literally every manufacturer that does a CVT does it better than the one in the JEEP Compass.
Fixed that for ya. Jeeps suck, plain and simple.
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lol. You've got a point there. though a 6-speed manual Wrangler is still pretty cool.
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I owned a TJ for 13 years. It is by far the worst driving vehicle I have ever owned and it was constantly in need of repair.
Though to be fair, most of the breakage occurred off-pavement. Even when new, Jeep's warranty is a joke, 99% of it is void when wheels leave pavement.

That being said, it was fun to own when I lived in the mountains. Moving to a urban area, loosing my Jeep club, and having a baby all led to its sale.
If I ever move back to an area with lots of off-road parks and trails, I would not buy another Jeep. I would most likely get back into dual-sport motorcycles and/or build a purpose built trail rig.

Every time someone tells me they want a Jeep, I tell them it's a mistake.
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I have a gripe with a cvt I have driven. On a business trip to ABQ, Hertz gave me a Jeep Compass. With any conventional transmission maintaining a relatively consistent travel speed on level ground involves applying a fixed amount of throttle. But not with the Chrysler cvt trans! It constantly diddles with the ratios yielding a 10 to 15 mph variation out of a single throttle position at interstate speeds. It was very annoying on a one hour interstate trip and necessitated the use of the cruise control to avoid frustration. Hopefully other manufacturers are doing a better job.
I had a 200 rental once did the same crap. The mirage rental I had was the worst transmission I have ever driven. Beside the normal cvt bs it seems like they had programmed it to attempt some sort of engine braking/downshifting. You would be braking for a light or for traffic and it feel like it downshifted and blipped the throttle too much and itd try to surge forward. So much fun trying to drive in phoenix traffic when it was doing that every time I slowed down.
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