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Old 07-28-2010, 02:12 PM   #1761
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I'm still a member of Key West United Methodist, I enjoy surrounding myself with good people. I just don't believe in god.
Church leadership allows atheist members?
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Old 07-28-2010, 02:13 PM   #1762
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Atheism

The belief that there was nothing. And nothing happened to nothing, which then suddenly exploded for no reason, creating everything, after which, a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself into self-replicating bits, which then turned into dinosaurs.

Makes perfect sense.
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Wait I thought the dinosaurs fossils were put into Earth by the blue eyed god in order to test our faith.
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Old 07-28-2010, 02:16 PM   #1764
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My parents go, and I tag along sometimes. Good people, no problem with me.
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Yeah pretty much. I'm not a big fan of zombie stories so I went with the more sensible thing, lol.
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I created it all and I created you, DON'T **** WITH ME!
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Old 07-28-2010, 02:17 PM   #1766
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**** yea!

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dear my name is mrs.sarah welsh; i am a dying woman who has decided to donate what i have to you, church and widows.
I am 60 years old and i was diagnosed for cancer for about 2 years ago, immediately after the death of my husband, who has left me everything he worked for and because the doctors told me i will not live longer than some weeks because of my health, i decided to will/donate the sum of $10,400,000 (ten million four hundred thousand dollars) to you for the good work of humanity, and also to help the motherless and less privilege and also for the assistance of the widows.
I wish you all the best and may the good lord bless you abundantly, and please use the funds well and always extend the good work to others.
Contact my lawyer (barrister mike adams) with this specified email: (barr.mikeadam@googlemail.com ) and tell him that i have willed ($10,400,000.00) to you and i have also notified him.
I will appreciate your utmost confidentiality in this matter until the task is accomplished as i don't want anything that will jeopardize my last wish.
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Old 07-28-2010, 02:18 PM   #1767
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My parents go, and I tag along sometimes. Good people, no problem with me.
That'd make you a visitor. Does the preacher ever talk about sin or Jesus? Just curious.
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Old 07-28-2010, 02:23 PM   #1768
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this just pissed me off: A federal judge on Wednesday granted a partial injunction requested by the federal government on the controversial Arizona immigration law, SB 1070.
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Anyone here watched Religulous?
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That'd make you a visitor. Does the preacher ever talk about sin or Jesus? Just curious.
I was a member, it's complicated. We had a discussion about it once. His name is Rev. Ruben Velasco and he is a very good friend of mine. We talked about me not being religous and he said that's fine because I am very respectful and help out every once in a while(I play bass for some of there shows). I believe in the human ability to be kind, not religion.
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Old 07-28-2010, 02:43 PM   #1772
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I wonder if hustler is in this book that popped up below that one:

http://www.amazon.com/Badass-Relentl...ref=pd_sim_b_2
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I can't believe I'm actually about to debate religion on the internet...

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Wait I thought the dinosaurs fossils were put into Earth by the blue eyed god in order to test our faith.
Honestly, I don't find any contradiction between things such as the fossil record or astrometric observations concerning the size/age/rate of expansion of the universe and the fundamental tenets of the Judeo–Christian faiths.

I don't believe that the universe is only 6,000 years old (or whatever you want to call it), and I also don't find this to be in conflict with the idea that it might still have been willingly created by an intelligent being of an origin unknown to me.

Is every single word in the (Bible / Tanakh / Kabbalah) absolutely and unquestionably accurate? Probably not. Does that mean that the general concepts conveyed within are inherently false just because they seem a bit mystical?

I simply assume that the various texts which compose the religious cannon were all written, translated, edited etc., by men, and that some of those folks may have been exaggerating for dramatic effect (parting the sea), writing from a very limited viewpoint (a flood that covered a region a few hundred square miles would have been interpreted to have covered the whole world from the perspective of a person who had never left his home town), or just plain tripping ***** (either that, or John of Patmos had suffered a serious head trauma just prior to penning the book of Revelations.)


Basically, for me, it boils down to a willingness to admit that since I wasn't there when the universe came into being, and cannot know with any degree of certainty exactly what happened, nor do I claim to be the smartest sentient being in the whole history of everything everywhere, it would be extremely arrogant to discount any one theory over another on the basis that it involves something apparently incomprehensible.

Perhaps there genuinely was a flying spaghetti monster? I cannot disprove it.
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No sarcasm, it's just nice to actually see that some one has takin' the time to think their "debate" through.

The world could use more Joe P's.

I'm agnostic by the way. I think it's childish to say that we honestly know where we came or didn't come from.
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Joe- my problem with religion is that most of their followers will NOT accept the fact that men have put their hand into the foundation of their belief, The Bible etc. Most take the words written there to be a literal and the only explanation or reason of our existence.

I find religions to be extremely convenient to their profit and well-being. And most important manipulative with the sole intention of maintaining control over masses.

I do not believe in "blind faith"
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Perhaps there genuinely was a flying spaghetti monster? I cannot disprove it.
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I think it's childish to say that we honestly know where we came or didn't come from.
Ding!

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This is funny ****

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Well said Joe. Agreed on all points. LOL at the tripping ***** comment.
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I think it's cool that we don't care for religion here. Maybe there's some kind of correlation between Miata drivers and anti-religious sentiments?
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I think it's cool that we don't care for religion here. Maybe there's some kind of correlation between Miata drivers and anti-religious sentiments?
Intellect, reason, knowledge.....
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