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Old 10-05-2013, 03:11 AM   #81
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Too many meals.
Too few veggies.
Too much starch and grains.

You are also a sugar not a fat burner. If you train your body to be a fat burner you won't feel the need to eat more than 3x a day despite workouts. It takes 4-6 hours after a meal for your insulin to come back down to baseline. If you eat before then your body will preferentially keep and not burn its bodyfat reserves.
If I eat any less I lose weight. Which means going to the gym to get big will be pointless. It was extremely hard for me to get to where I am now (5'9", 160lbs), and Im by no means fat. I had to scarf down food to the point of nausea multiple times a day. My metabolism is annoying.

I was ~130 pounds for years.

Basically my point is what works for you isn't going to work for everyone, as has been stated.
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Not in my case anyway.
Then you aren't eating big.

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If I eat any less I lose weight. Which means going to the gym to get big will be pointless. It was extremely hard for me to get to where I am now (5'9", 160lbs), and Im by no means fat. I had to scarf down food to the point of nausea multiple times a day. My metabolism is annoying.

I was ~130 pounds for years.

Basically my point is what works for you isn't going to work for everyone, as has been stated.
You aren;t a special snowflake, almost nobody on the planet is.

If you eat more you will get bigger.

GOMAD diet

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You aren;t a special snowflake, almost nobody on the planet is.

If you eat more you will get bigger.

GOMAD diet

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Wasn't saying I was special, but I don't put on pounds easily, fat or muscle.
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Yes you do.

Eat more.

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Old 10-05-2013, 04:11 AM   #86
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Then you aren't eating big.

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Oh okay, I guess you know better than me... trust me, I do. No one I know can come close to matching my insatiable need for food. In high school my average lunch was 3 of 4 slices of pizza (good pizza, I went to an awesome high school with a food court), cheese fries, two chocolate milks, and usually an ice cream candy bar or some other type of snack cake. That was after eating a big breakfast, and then eating huge amounts of food for dinner. I am still the reigning king of sloppy joes in my family. I easily finished off a pack of 8 burger buns one night by myself. How I'm not 400lb with diabetes is beyond me. It did temporarily catch up to me at one point when I got super lazy, but even then I only put on 20 pounds over my normal, and lost it easily enough and lost 40 more pounds in 9 months to my lowest weight since high school, which was about 140. My average is 165-175 at 6'
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Yes you do.

Eat more.

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I see you know more about him than he does as well. Not everyone works like you think they should.
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Oh, and beer as well. Now that I think about it, claiming that grains, a product of beer, are toxic is blasphemy and I proclaim jihad on anyone who discounts the nutritional efficacy of frosted barley pop.
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How to Eat Like a Tour de France Pro | Cyclists International
"Here, eat this porridge and eggs, here eat this snack, ride this sex-pantehr $10k bike and floss, drink a tiny cola and eat more fatty awesomeness, urinate off the bike at speed, win, eat all this fruit, get a rub down, shave your legs with other men, spacedock."
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I can't believe all this bullshit even remotely suggesting we eliminate beer from our diets.
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Damn. Wish I knew about the gallon of milk thing before I nauseated myself with so much solid food for 4 months straight. Now I'm just trying to maintain the same % of body fat while gaining muscle. Until I feel like cutting anyway.

Keeping up with my ridiculous appetite has become as expensive as maintaining a turbo Miata lol
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Yes they do Jesse.

People who are built like rakes who claim to not be able to get bigger are identical to people who are built like whales but claim to not be able to lose weight.

You may have a faster metabolism, you may have both a fast metabolism AND burn a lot of energy day to day, but the answer remains the same.

Eat more. Everyone works the same way.

Eat more. How is this even remotely complicated?

This kind of BS is all over fitness forums. People who come on and they are like "well I dont eat much but I'm still fat". They get get told to count calories accurately, and they go "I do, I do. Today I ate this and this and this."

'Did you eat any other snacks?'

"Just a salad and ham sandwich and some orange juice"

******* 1500 extra calories later which 'I didn't think counted because that's healthy' And they still act like they have no idea why they aren't losing weight.

Track your calories day to day without changing anything, then eat more than that.

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Damn. Wish I knew about the gallon of milk thing before I nauseated myself with so much solid food for 4 months straight. Now I'm just trying to maintain the same % of body fat while gaining muscle. Until I feel like cutting anyway.

Keeping up with my ridiculous appetite has become as expensive as maintaining a turbo Miata lol
The most efficient way to get bulked and cut is to do exactly that, bulk, and then cut.

Forget keeping the exact same BF% while bulking, and anyone who is so self conscious they want to bulk AND cut at the same time is dreaming.

Again this is all over fitness forums. It doesnt work and stop trying to do it.

Eat big, lift big, get big, then cut the extra 3-5% BF you gained while putting one 15lb of muscle.

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If you are going to neg prop me for telling you if you eat more you will get bigger at least refute it.

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A caloric surplus obviously means you will put on weight. But I'd rather build muscle slowly than get fat. I refuse to be fat, ever. I bulked to fill out my puny frame, and I am happy with my gains so far. I'm not cutting, but I'm not stuffing my face like I was before. I don't see the need to get any fatter. I was probably putting down 6000 to 7000 calories a day at that point.

and lol I didn't neg prop you.

and for the record there have been plenty of guys who get decently big without putting on a lot of BF
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I know, Jesse did.

What I am saying is that if you want results the answers ARE there. Almost everyone knows what they are, and those that refute them are almost ALWAYS ones who claim that they are special snowflakes.

If you are happy with your size then do what you are doing, but those who are built like pic related are often on about how they refuse to simply get bigger, they must drop fat and gain muscle and of course this is so hard that most inevitably fail.



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You are one hairy ************.

And I have that exact same lamp from Ikea.

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/10139879/
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Yes they do Jesse.

People who are built like rakes who claim to not be able to get bigger are identical to people who are built like whales but claim to not be able to lose weight.

You may have a faster metabolism, you may have both a fast metabolism AND burn a lot of energy day to day, but the answer remains the same.

Eat more. Everyone works the same way.

Eat more. How is this even remotely complicated?

This kind of BS is all over fitness forums. People who come on and they are like "well I dont eat much but I'm still fat". They get get told to count calories accurately, and they go "I do, I do. Today I ate this and this and this."

'Did you eat any other snacks?'

"Just a salad and ham sandwich and some orange juice"

******* 1500 extra calories later which 'I didn't think counted because that's healthy' And they still act like they have no idea why they aren't losing weight.

Track your calories day to day without changing anything, then eat more than that.

Dann
Well of course, but there comes a point when you just can't or shouldn't eat any more. Back in the day I was easily averaging 5000-6000 calories a day, if not a bit more. To pile ever more intake on top of that couldn't have been good. Of course everyone can gain weight by eating more, but there are more underlying health risks with the types of food, and the amount that you are eating. I could have put another 1000-1500 calories on top of that, but I would be walking around feeling bloated as **** all of the time.

And who is neg proping you? Not I.
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I know, Jesse did
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Do you bring any ******* facts to the table here Dann? No I didn't. I don't like false accusations.
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If I eat any less I lose weight. Which means going to the gym to get big will be pointless.
I didn't say eat less. I said eat fewer meals. Is it possible for you to squeeze the same amount of food into 4 instead of 5 meals?

P.S. Before answering you I forgot to ask "what problem are you trying to solve?"
P.P.S. going at least 5 hours between meals (zero snacks) allows insulin to go down to baseline and improves insulin and/or leptin resistance. I don't know if someone like you has any of either.
P.P.P.S. Some skinny people do have leptin (but not insulin) resistance, but I don't know too many details.

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Let's also not forget that current body composition, eating patterns, and even gut flora play a massive role in how efficiently your body processes those calories. There is some truth to fat people feeling like they eat the same amount as some skinny guy but they stay fat and the skinny guy stays skinny.

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Well, look at that. The federal nutrition research over the last 40 years may be bunk.

40 years of federal nutrition research fatally flawed
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