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Old 07-19-2014, 03:56 PM   #2181
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I'll never have a climber's body. Sprinter is in the cards for me.
You and I will definitely never have a climber's build, but we can work enough to go diesel over the hills, BNSF style.
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If Nibali holds on, this will be Campagnolo's first TdF win since 1998. If they are smart, they will adjust their advertising away from their illustrious history and focus on form, performance, quality, and this win.
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I went on a nice leasurely ride last night and I hit a hill near the end of my ride that I knew was a little bit steeper than some of the others around here... its short but its about 7% compared to the 2% slopes.

I definitely need more work on my climbing technique... I was so out of breath at the end of the climb. 8% isn't THAT bad, but if the hill were any longer I would have been sitting back down before it was over.



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I definitely need more work on my climbing technique... I was so out of breath at the end of the climb. 8% isn't THAT bad, but if the hill were any longer I would have been sitting back down before it was over.
Learn to spin hills. I'm sure it's in this thread, but I'll reiterate what E told me months ago: spin the highest gear you can without bouncing on the seat. Never, ever stand up - spin every hill you can. Learn to spin 105-110rpm up hills. It will feel and be slow at first, then you'll get faster, then you'll realize that it doesn't use up your leg muscles like climbing while standing does, and then after 6-8 weeks of never being off the saddle, you'll actually be putting a bunch of power out while hammering up hills at 100+rpm.

This is what you get when you follow that advice for a few months: Bike Ride Profile | OD30 route with Tom near Mountain View | Times and Records | Strava (click "analyze segment"). 325w, 100+rpm, all of it sitting down and saving my legs for later.

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Unless you actually sprinting at full power, standing climbing should be done at a lower cadence, 60-80rpm. >90rpm seated is just for closing gaps, shorts bursts. The rest of the time you should be trying to hold 80-90rpm seated sustained on long climbs. You need to have exceptional aerobic fitness and power to weight to be able to climb standing for sustained periods. Only the absolute best pro, pure climbers in the world can do it.

Running out of aerobic fitness is why it was easier to sustain a lower rpm. Bryan Wood, back in his cycling days was the consumate big gear low rpm masher until I started training him. 12 weeks of spinning a gear restricted fixie on club rides turned him into an efficient high rpm 195lb Wiggins clone. Point is, even with the "wrong" body type, any rider can greatly improve their aerobic efficiency with focused training.

Easiest way is to simply force yourself to use the smallest gear you can spin seated and not bounce. At first it won't be very fast and/or you'll tire quickly. In a few weeks you'll find you can spin faster at a lower HR and then, you'll discover you're actually putting out considerable watts.. and your legs don't hurt.

There are different energy pathways a cyclist (or any athlete) enlists depending on the work needed. Ideally, you get a good idea of what load the challenge will present and focus training on the relevant systems.

A century for someone that has been off the bike for a long time will have specific workloads. No 35mph time trialing in a peloton. No 1100 watt sprints. No 40rpm sand pit cyclocross grinds. You will have long unbroken periods of 80-90rpm sub 200w pedaling with the steady climbs interspersed. Not much accelerating I suspect. So high demand on aerobic threshold efficiency, no demand for peak power or hard acceleration, some demand for aerobic threshold power. The challenge will be to not burn all your matches on that first climb so I'd also focus on that. Figure out how long that climb will be, what wattage you need for your gearing then do intervals of 40-80% climb length at just above the power level required. By the time the century comes, you should easily be able to handle that climb at target power while keep the powder dry for those kickers two hours later

Gotta maintain hydration and decent blood sugar level for about 6 hrs. So start doing rides as close to that length as possible. Your gut requires blood to process food for fuel. Problem is it's all being used to transport oxygen to your screaming legs. Every rider has a limit of how many calories their body can absorb per hr when near aerobic threshold HR. That same new rider will also burn calories less efficiently, generating more watts on body heat than torque. With training, you'll use your calories more efficiently and need to eat less per watt. You'll also be able to absorb more water and calories per/hr at your aerobic threshold.

The human body, stores roughly 2hrs worth of easily accessed muscle glycogen (fuel) regardless of training level. 300lb couch potato and Tour winner both need to eat before the 2hr point in exercise to avoid bonking.
That's relevant because you never want to run the tank that low. If you do, it takes a while to come back. That's where defizzed Cokes and high glycemic sugars can save a ride. Problem is they trigger an insulin response in an otherwise healthy system. That's bad because they make your body resist all the low glycemic stuff in your stomach. So you end up switching gears in metabolism and need to keep feeding it junkfood at a high rate to keep the fires burning. So avoid the easy high glycemic stuff until the end of the ride. Do your best to fuel with the lowest glycemic but calorically dense and easily digested foods for as long as possible. In general, the best energy gels/fluids use maltodextrin almost exclusively. Expensive but easy to digest and lower glycemic than say, HFCS or plain refined sugar. Also experiment with what foods you can get down with elevated HR. Some stuff is fine when you're putting around but impossible to handle or choke down when you're struggling at the back.

Also good to try to do that first 2-2.5 hrs of any long training ride without stopping. That works the system harder and helps to train the body to be fuel efficient.

I rely on Hammer Nutrition (sounds like an ad, lol) gel. You can buy their gel in powder and either make your own gels or add it to your energy drink. HEED sports drink is electrolytes with a modest portion on maltodextrin. Super easy on the stomach when your're hammering.

I also like PBJ sandwiches. Everyone has their own fave bike food but it's critical that you find what works for you.

Power wise, it's a long day just under 200watts with a 45 minute 250-300w climb early on and those ugly 1-2 minute 250-400w grunts late in the ride. No need for super high (120+) cadences so we can leave that out for now. The more efficient you can remain for 6hrs just under 200w, the more energy you'll have for those kickers late in the ride. On your LSD (long slow distance) training ride, I'd throw in some intervals to simulate
those loads. You won't acceleration those climbs in the century, but merely want to hold pace in the group as the stronger riders lay down the watts at the front.

One thing to remember in group rides is to never ease off the watts until you are past the crest and starting to accelerate down hill again. The strong riders will never coast at the crest but instead keep the watage up and zoom down the backside like a roller coaster. Nothing more soul shattering than turning yourself inside out for a half hour up some god-forsaken hill then getting popped off after the summit because you sat up 3 pedal strokes too soon.

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Old 07-21-2014, 10:18 PM   #2185
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Sonny's bike came in today. Some hand me down parts I donated to the build that knocked 1.6 lbs off:
Roval carbon clinchers
Zipp Ti QR's
Specialized carbon post

Added cages, wireless computer. 19.3 lbs as show in pic. Not super light but he says it rides great and shifts like butta. Look at that pie plate rear cog. Jelly.

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That looks like a really nice riding bike. I had a motobecane single speed 29r for a minute that road better than it should have for the price.
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latest enduro race did not end well:



sent a 20' tabletop about 40' and landed heavy on the front wheel, blew up and flew into the woods. Yes I was wearing knee pads.
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Old 07-21-2014, 11:30 PM   #2188
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It's over.
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big tabletop get you too?
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Old 07-21-2014, 11:48 PM   #2190
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big tabletop get you too?
I did 5500' outside of Bandera, TX on a 65 mile ride today, ------.
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hustler your luck with bike frames may officially be worse than your luck with miata's. That sucks... sorry to see. You should contact CAAD regarding a replacement/warranty. I've wrecked frames in the past due to crashes and I found that mfg's are more receptive to cheap/free replacement frames that you'd think.
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I did 5500' outside of Bandera, TX on a 65 mile ride today, ------.
but what broke your frame?

you OK?
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but what broke your frame?

you OK?
The Rd hanger broke when climbing. I'm not sure what caused it.

Physically, yes.
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The Rd hanger broke when climbing. I'm not sure what caused it.

Physically, yes.
Either cross chained big ring/big cog with chain too short (most likely) or lower limit screw set incorrectly and chain went into spokes. Either way you sucked the deraileur off the hanger. The hanger did not break by itself. Make sure your chain is long enough to cross chain even if you don't actually ride that way.
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So question for the MT.NET bike crew. I'm a long time Mountain/BMXer, I'm looking to get a road bike. What would you recommend either new or used for like a $700 or so budget? I don't mind waiting for something used, I worked at a bike shop all through highschool so I can check out/fix stuff but I have no handle on the road market in terms of what good value is etc.

I expect to be riding about 100 miles a week, just for fun with some friends. I'll spend more money as I get more serious, figured I'd get something reasonably priced with hopefully good resale to get my feet wet.
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So question for the MT.NET bike crew. I'm a long time Mountain/BMXer, I'm looking to get a road bike. What would you recommend either new or used for like a $700 or so budget? I don't mind waiting for something used, I worked at a bike shop all through highschool so I can check out/fix stuff but I have no handle on the road market in terms of what good value is etc.

I expect to be riding about 100 miles a week, just for fun with some friends. I'll spend more money as I get more serious, figured I'd get something reasonably priced with hopefully good resale to get my feet wet.
Definitely new. As mentioned before in this thread, the tech changes so rapidly that what cost $1500 5 years ago isn't as nice as the $800 2014 model. You can get a nice recreational bike for $700. If you think you won't take it on dirt roads and might do some 1hr plus rides, get the narrowest 700c tire bike that you're comfortable on. If if its more of around town, short trip and occasionally dirt path bike, something more of a "hybrid" style with wider tires. For short ries, flat bars are fine. Ride over an hour very often and you'll want "drop" bars with the curved hooks on the ends. Way easier on your back and wrists than flat bars on long rides. Get a spare tube, tire lever, patch kit, pump, bottle cage/bottle and you're ready to go. If you wear sneakers, make sure your laces don't get tangled up in the gears. Cycling shoes are more comfortable and efficient but add to the buy-in cost. For just starting out, sneakers are fine.
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I can't spin fast on like 15% climbs, my gearing is too high even with a 28 on the back. Guess I should consider a compact crank?

In my lowest gear I can just hit 80rpm going about 15km/hr, which is fine until I hit max HR for too long.
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my 28 rear gear is the same. around here, there aren't many 15% grades. though I would have a hard time if I took my bike to somewhere with them.

similar to you, I can spin 18km/h in first gear (100rpm). I tested it last night. that's pretty quick to rip up a steep hill with no lower options.



Practicing high cadence last night with a casual ride with my wife may not have been the right way to get comfortable with spinning faster. not enough load on the gears to have a constant pull.

going higher than 100rpm doesn't work for me right now....either im not smooth enough in the pedals, or something with my bike setup isn't going to let me go much higher cadence without at least a little bounce. maybe adding some more resistance from higher gearing will help keep my butt down more too.
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Sonny's bike came in today. Some hand me down parts I donated to the build that knocked 1.6 lbs off:
Roval carbon clinchers
Zipp Ti QR's
Specialized carbon post

Added cages, wireless computer. 19.3 lbs as show in pic. Not super light but he says it rides great and shifts like butta. Look at that pie plate rear cog. Jelly.
Can probably shave a few pounds in the cockpit alone...with a seat (that you would like anyways), carbon seat post (that will ride smoother), light stem and bars.

Though that would likely add 50% value to the bike itself and would likely make a negligible difference. seat and post I would recommend though... my carbon post on my wifes aluminum hybrid bike smooths it right out, and on my carbon bike its like butta.
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Wow, I'm way more impressed with my fitness level than I expected.
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I'm building a new bicycle and going back down there in October.
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