If FEMA had the bicycles, would it fund Hustler's manlet bib? - Page 16 - Miata Turbo Forum -Boost cars, acquire cats.

Welcome to Miataturbo.net   Members
 


Insert BS here A place to discuss anything you want

Reply
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-29-2013, 11:50 AM   #301
Tour de Franzia
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
hustler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Republic of Dallas
Posts: 28,968
Total Cats: 327
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TorqueZombie View Post
Got our new bikes Friday and took them out today. Specialized Rockhopper Comp, and Jett for her. Love the 29'er wheels. Bikes rode great. Need to dial the forks in more and the brakes left something to be desired. Probably need a bit more break in. My fronts where good enough, but the rears are pathetic. Already curious if going from 180mm/160mm to 203mm/180mm discs is worth the price of 2 cheap brackets and one rotor. Both of us are new to this stuff though. Her especially.

Actually really liked the color more than I though I would when I ordered them.


She's had no complaints. She is coming from a 80lbs cheap, crappy Mongoose. This thing is a Ferrari to her compared to the old bike.
I finally had to bleed my brake twice, myself. It really takes an hour to do each brake, but it's worth the effort I guess. You cannot trust a shop to do a good job on this because it's so time consuming.
hustler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2013, 01:30 PM   #302
Elite Member
iTrader: (6)
 
TorqueZombie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Lebanon, TN
Posts: 1,620
Total Cats: 62
Default

I guess I'll have to learn to do that. I to a unexpected drop down in trail yesterday and could not get the back brake to lock. Wasn't trying to, but it was a mild panic, downhill, rock covered, tree rooted drop off. Little bit of pucker. The lever uses damn near the full travel for nothing. The fronts are the same brakes just 180mm and not that bad. I'll order a bleed kit and make a mess for a day.

Still sorting the bike out. Still a bit sore from yesterday, but want to go out again.
TorqueZombie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2013, 02:53 PM   #303
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: las vegas
Posts: 244
Total Cats: 4
Default

Having never owned a bike with hydraulic brakes, do they use dot brake fluid? Or some special stuff?
hochkis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2013, 02:57 PM   #304
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
emilio700's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 4,540
Total Cats: 841
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hochkis View Post
Having never owned a bike with hydraulic brakes, do they use dot brake fluid? Or some special stuff?
Most new discs systems use dot 4. Some older designs use mineral oil.
emilio700 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2013, 03:00 PM   #305
Boost Pope
iTrader: (8)
 
Joe Perez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Chicago
Posts: 24,681
Total Cats: 1,576
Default

I'm curious...

Even my current hotness with disc brakes uses conventional brake cables. I find them easy to adjust, and the lever has sufficient travel that I can lock them both (if I choose to), while having a nice, progressive feel.

Yes, there's some give in them. Not at all what I'd equate to a spongy pedal in a car, more like you can just tell that things are stretching a bit when you get on it.

Is that the primary "problem" that hydraulic brakes are meant to "fix"?
Joe Perez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2013, 03:19 PM   #306
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
emilio700's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 4,540
Total Cats: 841
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Perez View Post
I'm curious...

Even my current hotness with disc brakes uses conventional brake cables. I find them easy to adjust, and the lever has sufficient travel that I can lock them both (if I choose to), while having a nice, progressive feel.

Yes, there's some give in them. Not at all what I'd equate to a spongy pedal in a car, more like you can just tell that things are stretching a bit when you get on it.

Is that the primary "problem" that hydraulic brakes are meant to "fix"?
Greater leverage from reduced mechanical losses means more power with less effort. Not an issue for the average lightly loaded commuter bike. More of a n issue on a high performance XC Race, 6" travel free ride or heavily laden touring bike.

Rim brakes get the job done if you go slow enough. Just like drum brakes could be made to work acceptably well on a Miata for some drivers.

The tiny, lightweight discs on my XC race bike need radiators bonded onto the pads or they'll fade pretty bad on steep downhils like the one I posted Saturday. They look like little electrical heat sinks but work wonders. A good racing level disc brake system on a well suspended mountain bike with big knobbies will amaze on steep downhills.

Cables are still a touch lighter than hydraulic lines and cheaper to mfr so you'll see them on entry level disc systems. They do work just fine until you start pushing the limits of the braking system.
emilio700 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2013, 03:37 PM   #307
Tour de Franzia
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
hustler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Republic of Dallas
Posts: 28,968
Total Cats: 327
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by emilio700 View Post
Cables are still a touch lighter than hydraulic lines and cheaper to mfr so you'll see them on entry level disc systems. They do work just fine until you start pushing the limits of the braking system.
I'd rather grab the hydro brake lever than the cable leather by a country mile.
hustler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2013, 03:49 PM   #308
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
emilio700's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 4,540
Total Cats: 841
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hustler View Post
I'd rather grab the hydro brake lever than the cable leather by a country mile.
The best cable operated discs are pretty good. Around the parking lot you barely notice the difference. Where you notice it is after 20hrs use bombing down a long downhill. Cables gummed up and a little draggy, pads slightly fading requiring more effort, spiral wound cable housing compressing and sucking up energy.. then it's like, "that's it, getting hydraulic brakes tomorrow".

I raced on cable discs for a few years. They were a significant improvement on my tricked out V-brakes (rim brake) that were in turn way better than my olld cantilever rim brakes. Then I rode a downhill bike with, at the time new tech hydraulic discs. Been spoiled ever since. The latest cyclocross bikes have discs but they're mostly still cable operated.
emilio700 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2013, 04:14 PM   #309
Elite Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Huntsville, AL
Posts: 1,867
Total Cats: 45
Default

Why does it take so long to bleed them?
vehicular is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2013, 04:50 PM   #310
Tour de Franzia
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
hustler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Republic of Dallas
Posts: 28,968
Total Cats: 327
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by vehicular View Post
Why does it take so long to bleed them?
Because they were clearly engineered by people who don't understand car brakes. No bleeder valves, just a shitty fill-hole in the caliper and fill-hole/master reservoir in the lever housing. The solution is tedious syringe bleeding in and out and in and out and in and out for like an hour. There are other tricks, let me know if you are interested.
hustler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2013, 04:52 PM   #311
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
emilio700's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 4,540
Total Cats: 841
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by vehicular View Post
Why does it take so long to bleed them?
Teeny master cyl displacement.
emilio700 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2013, 04:54 PM   #312
Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Leafy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: woosta, ma
Posts: 8,611
Total Cats: 91
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hustler View Post
Because they were clearly engineered by people who don't understand car brakes. No bleeder valves, just a shitty fill-hole in the caliper and fill-hole/master reservoir in the lever housing. The solution is tedious syringe bleeding in and out and in and out and in and out for like an hour. There are other tricks, let me know if you are interested.
I'm assuming the fill hole has a screw plug. Convince a company to make bleeders that go into that fill plug.
Leafy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2013, 05:29 PM   #313
Tour de Franzia
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
hustler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Republic of Dallas
Posts: 28,968
Total Cats: 327
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leafy View Post
I'm assuming the fill hole has a screw plug. Convince a company to make bleeders that go into that fill plug.
Then it won't fit under the vanity cap. The bleed on my bike is fine, it doesn't "need" to be changed.
hustler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2013, 05:35 PM   #314
Elite Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Leafy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: woosta, ma
Posts: 8,611
Total Cats: 91
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hustler View Post
Then it won't fit under the vanity cap. The bleed on my bike is fine, it doesn't "need" to be changed.
Vanity cap?! That has to weigh at least 1/10th of an ounce, take that heavy **** off.

But wouldnt it be nicer to be able to perfectly bleed your brakes in 10 minutes without any BS?
Leafy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2013, 05:55 PM   #315
Tour de Franzia
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
hustler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Republic of Dallas
Posts: 28,968
Total Cats: 327
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leafy View Post
Vanity cap?! That has to weigh at least 1/10th of an ounce, take that heavy **** off.

But wouldnt it be nicer to be able to perfectly bleed your brakes in 10 minutes without any BS?
No, the aesthetics of the bike may not be violated. Any solution that violates the lines of the machine is unacceptable. GTFO
hustler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2013, 07:27 PM   #316
Senior Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Sonora, Ca
Posts: 623
Total Cats: 73
Default

trade for quad or ?
bikersam717 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2013, 07:36 PM   #317
Elite Member
iTrader: (12)
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Taos, New mexico
Posts: 5,662
Total Cats: 227
Default

LMFAO, could you imagine riding any real DH trail on that bike 2 up? Just the thought of that makes my back feel broken.
Fireindc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2013, 08:01 PM   #318
Elite Member
iTrader: (6)
 
TorqueZombie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Lebanon, TN
Posts: 1,620
Total Cats: 62
Default

I was told this was not a bleed valve. I feel like I was lied to. Won't work like a car/motorbike one?



I really want it to
Attached Thumbnails
If FEMA had the bicycles, would it fund Hustler's manlet bib?-sdvki8l.jpg  
TorqueZombie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2013, 09:12 PM   #319
Elite Member
iTrader: (6)
 
TorqueZombie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Lebanon, TN
Posts: 1,620
Total Cats: 62
Default

Haha, feel like a noob. Read the manual. That is the fill nipple and a line goes on thhe top reservoir to push fluid through. Definitely needs done. I've broken mine in more than hers and just rode hers and it is way better. Same brakes.
TorqueZombie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2013, 10:18 AM   #320
Elite Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Kingston, Ontario
Posts: 2,631
Total Cats: 60
Default

Rode my old heap a bit this weekend.

Determined that I really needed to repack and tighten the old bottom bracket because the front derailleur was rubbing a bit and the gear is straight with no runout.

I then rebuilt the bottom bracket replacing the bearings from the type with housings to 11 ball bearings per side (vs 8 i think) and used some extreme pressure wheel bearing grease. SO MUCH SMOOTHER.

all in all i have taken the bike for about 15k of riding now since building it.... not much but i want to make sure I dont break it too far from home in the first while.

I still need to get some bar wrap. the raw aluminum drop bars are hard on my hands absorbing the cracks in the pavement. Thoughts on an inexpensive wrap?

M
shlammed is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Generation Wuss sixshooter Current Events, News, Politics 656 Yesterday 12:24 PM
New (4) 15x9 Gen 4 Tungsten 6UL's and (8) Black Alloy 949Racing Valve Stems $750 TurboTim Miata parts for sale/trade 4 10-05-2016 05:00 PM
15 Months & Counting - '92 Mariner Blue 1.8 Turbo Build OGWar Build Threads 53 09-14-2016 12:32 PM
WTB- 1.6L Jackson Racing Header Cxracer WTB 7 05-01-2016 10:40 AM


Tags
'gnolo > *, 3k bicycle 2k miata, beer hand up, carbonlust, crossbike > *, douche pedestrians, fenders, fit assholes, prostate cancer, sur la plaque, virgin engineers

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:09 PM.