If FEMA had the bicycles, would it fund Hustler's manlet bib? - Page 209 - Miata Turbo Forum -Boost cars, acquire cats.

Welcome to Miataturbo.net   Members
 


Insert BS here A place to discuss anything you want

Reply
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-11-2016, 01:36 PM   #4161
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (31)
 
Savington's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
Posts: 13,388
Total Cats: 820
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by emilio700 View Post
Edit: mine is a 520. I do not use the live segment feature, I find it distracting.
The highlight of my Sunday group rides is asking everyone with a 520 whether they just KOM'd that segment every time their unit beeps.
Savington is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2016, 01:45 PM   #4162
afm
Junior Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Berkeley, CA
Posts: 368
Total Cats: 30
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by aidandj View Post
Another commuter wheel question.

Should I get a tension gauge and run through my wheel and make sure all spokes are good, or should i just slap a new spoke in there and call it good.
Do the pluck test and make sure the tone is balanced among the half of the spokes on each side, or find a friend who plays an instrument if you feel you need a better ear. Or use a microphone and a scope

Highly recommend The Professional Guide to Wheelbuilding by Roger Musson. He runs through a lot of the caveats of workman-grade (Park) tensionometers in both attainable accuracy and precision. It's cheap at $10 or so and it's served me well through many builds.


Last edited by afm; 07-11-2016 at 01:49 PM. Reason: Accidental submit
afm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2016, 02:00 PM   #4163
Elite Member
iTrader: (9)
 
TurboTim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chesterfield, NJ
Posts: 6,177
Total Cats: 198
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savington View Post
The highlight of my Sunday group rides is asking everyone with a 520 whether they just KOM'd that segment every time their unit beeps.
For me, it's nice to know if I'm beating my PR's during my ride instead of later, after the ride. It's quite easy to enable/disable all segments (or individual segments, but at that point, you should unstar them in strava and they will be deleted from your 520). It's also easy to only star those segments which matter to you.
TurboTim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2016, 11:16 PM   #4164
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Aliso Viejo, CA
Posts: 556
Total Cats: 86
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hustler View Post
Giro Empire or VR90, Speed Play Zero for road and either Shimano or Candy for the MTB. Until something else comes around, I will only ride Empire ACCs/VR90. All of this is personal preference, and I like a soft upper with a super-stiff lower for both road and dirt. Pedals with removable bearings are worth the investment in my experience.
Scored some barely used Speedplay Zero Stainless from a local cycle fb page. $100. Score.

Ordered some Shimano shoes for a first fancy-shoe effort.
Product: Shimano SH-R107 Road Shoes
doward is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2016, 01:26 AM   #4165
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 772
Total Cats: 41
Default

For Chinese carbon wheels, is it worth it to build them or do they come with decent hubs and stuff if I order a complete set. Still not sure on depth but if I went with a 40-50mm, what kind of weight can I expect from a budget wheel set like this?

I do want my bike to climb well, but I'll be removing wheels that weigh 1950g for the pair so basically any of these will be an upgrade. I've been itching to do something to the bike and I know wheels are a huge improvement, and can let me make better use of better tires down the road. Also the sub $400 price points are appealing and I know many of you guys have success with them.

Where to buy (besides lightbicycle though I know they let you really choose components which is nice) and what depth to go for if I want to climb well, but still be able to maintain a bit more speed on straights. I know the 88mm ones are overkill especially for an endurance fondo style bike, but can people recommend a good depth for all around use? Is 50mm going to be much different from say a 35?

I also hear rim brakes and carbon don't work well together all the time?
On another note I've lowered my stem and am getting more comfortable with bars 5mm below saddle. Unfortunately that's as low as I can go without a steeper drop stem.
Mazdaspeeder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2016, 01:50 AM   #4166
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
emilio700's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 4,537
Total Cats: 840
Default

Most China carbon wheelsets use Bitex hubs are optional DT Swiss. The Bitex hubs are good, the DT Swiss are among the very best. I just prefer to build my own but pre-built wheels are a good choice for the less picky.
emilio700 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2016, 02:02 AM   #4167
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 772
Total Cats: 41
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by emilio700 View Post
Most China carbon wheelsets use Bitex hubs are optional DT Swiss. The Bitex hubs are good, the DT Swiss are among the very best. I just prefer to build my own but pre-built wheels are a good choice for the less picky.
Flyxii decent? I was looking at a saddle from them (save almost 200g there) and it was cheap enough to give it a try. They have 1450g 38mm deep wheel sets for 275 but doesn't say what hubs. Diy-bike is using novatec if that's any good
Mazdaspeeder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2016, 02:16 AM   #4168
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (3)
 
emilio700's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 4,537
Total Cats: 840
Default

Novatec are also pretty good. Guys that run it are old business associate/friends of mine. I have a few sets built with various Bitex hubs, they're solid. The really nice OEM wheels on my Van Dessel are private label Bitex. The hubs that came on my Reynolds ATR ($$$) were rubbish. Mis-machined out of the box. Draggy, cheap bearings, crude freehub pawl design. Spoke son the ATR's also broke. Relaced with CX-Ray and replaced bearings with SS enduros. Lesson: Buy Reynolds rims and lace them yourself. The Bitex are a much better hub.
emilio700 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2016, 02:50 AM   #4169
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 772
Total Cats: 41
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by emilio700 View Post
Novatec are also pretty good. Guys that run it are old business associate/friends of mine. I have a few sets built with various Bitex hubs, they're solid. The really nice OEM wheels on my Van Dessel are private label Bitex. The hubs that came on my Reynolds ATR ($$$) were rubbish. Mis-machined out of the box. Draggy, cheap bearings, crude freehub pawl design. Spoke son the ATR's also broke. Relaced with CX-Ray and replaced bearings with SS enduros. Lesson: Buy Reynolds rims and lace them yourself. The Bitex are a much better hub.
Thanks for the help. Now to decide on width and depth of the rim for a 25c tire. Any advantage to straight pull spokes?

Also does 1500g sound decent for a 38mm deep and 23mm wide wheel set using novatec hubs? I'm gonna chat with a few on a group ride tomorrow and see. The 25mm deep wheels definitely have a weight advantage, or maybe it's the light bicycle brand cause they're around 1300g a set

Last edited by Mazdaspeeder; 07-12-2016 at 03:02 AM.
Mazdaspeeder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2016, 10:01 AM   #4170
Elite Member
iTrader: (9)
 
TurboTim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chesterfield, NJ
Posts: 6,177
Total Cats: 198
Default

Thanks to everyone's help here, I laced up my front wheel last night. Light bicycle 35mm U shape, 18 CXRay radial heads out cause it felt weird bending the spokes otherwise, BikeHubStore superlight wide hub, Zefal 13mm rim tape, amazon butyl tube, Specialized Turbo Pro 700x26. And some wheelsmith spokeprep I ended up around 110-130kgf. Factory spokes are around 140-160.

The wheel minus the rim tape is 604g (rim itself is 440g). All the above is .6 lbs lighter than the FRONT wheel/tire that's on my bike now: 2014 Fulcrum S5 (18 spoke 2.0mm straight gauge radial straight pull)/Specialized Turbo Elite 700x23. I'm not sure how much weight I will lose in the back because of the heavier powertap i'm going to use compared to the factory rear hub.

I ended up around 110-130kgf spoke tension. Factory spokes are around 140-160. With every spoke tensioned equally, the rim was shaped like a potato chip. It's amazing how much a quarter turn will do.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazdaspeeder View Post
Now to decide on width and depth of the rim for a 25c tire.
I went with the 35 over Emilio's recommended 55 because I wanted light weight and 80 grams is sooooooo much. Actually I just wanted the look of a smaller rim clincher. Light bicycle also has their 45mm U shaped also. My next set will be 55mm tubular.





The red paint is surprisingly heavy. I may remove that.

Rear starts tonight.
Attached Thumbnails
If FEMA had the bicycles, would it fund Hustler's manlet bib?-img_1219-large-.jpg   If FEMA had the bicycles, would it fund Hustler's manlet bib?-img_1221-large-.jpg  

Last edited by TurboTim; 07-12-2016 at 10:16 AM.
TurboTim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2016, 11:04 AM   #4171
Elite Member
iTrader: (9)
 
TurboTim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chesterfield, NJ
Posts: 6,177
Total Cats: 198
Default

Prime day deal. Buy this if you need a pump. I love it. JoeBlow 2 for $30.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002B7LTBY...E4P8V0KE3MFTCQ
TurboTim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2016, 09:03 PM   #4172
Tour de Franzia
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
hustler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Republic of Dallas
Posts: 28,968
Total Cats: 327
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboTim View Post
Edge 520 user here (Thanks chooofoojoo); never experienced the older 500 or 510. The 520 is pretty slick though. Strava live segments do push you to perform, i've gotten quite a few top 10's probably because of it. The connectIQ stuff is somewhat gimmicy but I did add the 'pace app' since I also use the 520 when I run, and knowing my pace in real time makes me happy.

I'm no Hustler, but did manage #5 overall on a strava segment last friday, on a CX bike with a rack haha. Must have been the week off I took after mechanically detaching the nail on my big toe.

I also found a nice climb near my usual railtrail loop!


CXRays arrived (thanks again choofoojoo!). Laced the front dry to get a feel for it and I may have gotten spokes a size too small. Didn't want to see if I could bring them up to tension unlubed, but I brought one up to 75kgf with only 1.5 turns left before bottoming out the nipple.
I kind of miss that bike, happy to see you properly using it.
hustler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2016, 09:35 PM   #4173
Tour de Franzia
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
hustler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Republic of Dallas
Posts: 28,968
Total Cats: 327
Default

Also, that bike will totally come alive with better wheels.
hustler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2016, 11:27 PM   #4174
Tour de Franzia
Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
hustler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Republic of Dallas
Posts: 28,968
Total Cats: 327
Default

This is going to happen:
If FEMA had the bicycles, would it fund Hustler's manlet bib?-y8i2ngjg.png
hustler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2016, 10:43 AM   #4175
Elite Member
iTrader: (9)
 
TurboTim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chesterfield, NJ
Posts: 6,177
Total Cats: 198
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hustler View Post
Also, that bike will totally come alive with better wheels.
Please explain:
describe a better CX wheelset.
describe the changes that would occur due to such a wheelset.

These seem plenty stiff the bike in general is a heavy beast.

Re-truing both wheelsets you supplied me are on my to-do list now that I have the tools.
TurboTim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2016, 01:19 PM   #4176
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (31)
 
Savington's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
Posts: 13,388
Total Cats: 820
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboTim View Post
Please explain:
describe a better CX wheelset.
describe the changes that would occur due to such a wheelset.
OEM wheelset is probably ~2000g. Something like a $700 set of November Nimbus CLD (Pacenti SL25 hoops/White hubs/Sapim spokes) will be ~350g lighter and wider. Better acceleration, smoother ride, more grip from higher tire volume. In general, wheels are the single most noticeable thing you can upgrade on a bike. Most mid-level OEM builds will include a workable set with the assumption that the people who care will upgrade them anyway.
Savington is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2016, 01:21 PM   #4177
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (31)
 
Savington's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
Posts: 13,388
Total Cats: 820
Default

I did 15 miles of single-track on a entry-level aluminum full suspension 29er yesterday (Santa Cruz Superlight) and I am blown away. It was my first time on a FS bike and I am shocked at how fast the thing was through bumpy, rocky terrain. My desire for a trail/enduro bike is at an all-time high.
Savington is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2016, 01:31 PM   #4178
Senior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Colorado
Posts: 610
Total Cats: 33
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hustler View Post
This is going to happen:
Attachment 176435
Nice...All the climbs out of Boulder are pretty awesome on a road bike. I did flagstaff drunk at night on a BMX bike in college. It's steep.
Do yourself a favor and go to Valmont bike park- they have a bunch of CX trails mixed through the park.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Savington View Post
I did 15 miles of single-track on a entry-level aluminum full suspension 29er yesterday (Santa Cruz Superlight) and I am blown away. It was my first time on a FS bike and I am shocked at how fast the thing was through bumpy, rocky terrain. My desire for a trail/enduro bike is at an all-time high.
You'll be more blown away on something a little more modern. The superlight is pretty **** compared to the new stuff (flexy, poor pedaling, bad geometry)- I had a 26" wheeled superlight for a few years.

dcamp2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2016, 01:46 PM   #4179
Elite Member
iTrader: (9)
 
TurboTim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chesterfield, NJ
Posts: 6,177
Total Cats: 198
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savington View Post
OEM wheelset is probably ~2000g. Something like a $700 set of November Nimbus CLD (Pacenti SL25 hoops/White hubs/Sapim spokes) will be ~350g lighter and wider. Better acceleration, smoother ride, more grip from higher tire volume. In general, wheels are the single most noticeable thing you can upgrade on a bike. Most mid-level OEM builds will include a workable set with the assumption that the people who care will upgrade them anyway.
Cool, thanks. So same reasons as a road bike. Wasn't sure if off road/cx/mountain bike wheels had different desirable characteristics to go after, such as F weight/gimmie stiffness, or something along those lines. Obviously you can't run 16x radial on a front with disc brakes though. One day may have a November wheelset.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savington View Post
I did 15 miles of single-track on a entry-level aluminum full suspension 29er yesterday (Santa Cruz Superlight) and I am blown away. It was my first time on a FS bike and I am shocked at how fast the thing was through bumpy, rocky terrain. My desire for a trail/enduro bike is at an all-time high.
I hope to do a full suspension MTN bike demo day sometime next month, really want to see what the fuss is all about. Until then, I sourced an inexpensive early 2000's hardtail frame that I'm going to swap my mountain bike parts onto. A coworker also gave me some similar era parts to use. My $200 dicks special FS bike frame is tired, but the components, while ancient, still 'work'. I'll give new life to them and an old spesh frame.
TurboTim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2016, 01:49 PM   #4180
SadFab Sales Lady
iTrader: (5)
 
aidandj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Beaverton, USA
Posts: 14,836
Total Cats: 934
Default

Full suspension is a gift from god.

I demo'd a top of the line santacruz downhill bike. I went from being an entry level mountain biker, to going off 5 foot drops like it was nothing.
aidandj is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Generation Wuss sixshooter Current Events, News, Politics 647 Yesterday 02:32 PM
New (4) 15x9 Gen 4 Tungsten 6UL's and (8) Black Alloy 949Racing Valve Stems $750 TurboTim Miata parts for sale/trade 4 10-05-2016 05:00 PM
15 Months & Counting - '92 Mariner Blue 1.8 Turbo Build OGWar Build Threads 53 09-14-2016 12:32 PM
WTB- 1.6L Jackson Racing Header Cxracer WTB 7 05-01-2016 10:40 AM


Tags
'gnolo > *, 3k bicycle 2k miata, beer hand up, carbonlust, crossbike > *, douche pedestrians, fenders, fit assholes, prostate cancer, sur la plaque, virgin engineers

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:50 AM.