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08-06-2014, 12:20 AM
#84
There is this out here. I can drive it to you after Saturday. Off for a few weeks. You pay gas, food, and take me out for dinner and I'll drive it to you.
MUST SELL IMMEDIATELY!
I'd bet its not an actual 10th anniversary.
MUST SELL IMMEDIATELY!
I'd bet its not an actual 10th anniversary.
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08-06-2014, 08:01 AM
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It is done.
This is my first car built in the 21st century, my first car with A/C, my first car with power windows, etc...
Imagine waking up tomorrow morning and finding yourself a transsexual quadruple amputee in the île du Diable prison in 19th century French Guiana.
Aside from being heavier, uglier, twice as expensive, and less comfortable to sit in, yes, I agree completely.
And that would be a totally reasonable thing to expect.
It would also be wrong.
According to Vulpes carpentum, the car spent the first 4.5 years of its life in North Carolina (0-46,000 miles), then moved to Boca Raton, FL where it lived until April 2013 and 121,000 miles, whereupon it moved to the Empire state and racked up another 11,000 miles between then and now.
So the underside is pretty damned clean. Most of the brown stuff is dirt, there aren't even any spots I'd want to hit with POR15 before applying an undercoating. I need to get under there and take a closer look at some point as something is rattling like hell when I go over bumps (sounds exhaust-ey), but of course I need to buy jackstands, a jack, a house with a garage, etc. City life has deprived me of these things.
I welcome specific recommendations for undercoating / rustproofing, incidentally.
So far as I can tell, it's not actually an LS as advertised, but rather an Azure Blue Leather package base car- worst of both worlds. Still, it'll be easy enough to upgrade it to a base black cloth car.
This is my first car built in the 21st century, my first car with A/C, my first car with power windows, etc...
Imagine waking up tomorrow morning and finding yourself a transsexual quadruple amputee in the île du Diable prison in 19th century French Guiana.
Aside from being heavier, uglier, twice as expensive, and less comfortable to sit in, yes, I agree completely.
And that would be a totally reasonable thing to expect.
It would also be wrong.
According to Vulpes carpentum, the car spent the first 4.5 years of its life in North Carolina (0-46,000 miles), then moved to Boca Raton, FL where it lived until April 2013 and 121,000 miles, whereupon it moved to the Empire state and racked up another 11,000 miles between then and now.
So the underside is pretty damned clean. Most of the brown stuff is dirt, there aren't even any spots I'd want to hit with POR15 before applying an undercoating. I need to get under there and take a closer look at some point as something is rattling like hell when I go over bumps (sounds exhaust-ey), but of course I need to buy jackstands, a jack, a house with a garage, etc. City life has deprived me of these things.
I welcome specific recommendations for undercoating / rustproofing, incidentally.
So far as I can tell, it's not actually an LS as advertised, but rather an Azure Blue Leather package base car- worst of both worlds. Still, it'll be easy enough to upgrade it to a base black cloth car.
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08-06-2014, 08:44 AM
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I do need the battery hold-down bracket, if anyone has one of those available.
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08-06-2014, 09:01 AM
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Does it have blue seats and blue inserts in the door panels? The outside appears to be a Shinsen edition. Shinsen was intended to look like an LS, but without some of the other parts (like the upgraded suspension) to reduce the price.
Nice looking car.
Nice looking car.
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08-06-2014, 09:21 AM
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Ah, nice. Someone could have put a blue top on an LS. The LS would have come with a tan top and tan leather seats. It would also have a tochigi fuji limited slip and all of the "sport" bracing. It would not have the bilsteins however, they came with the 6-speed only.
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08-06-2014, 09:26 AM
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Brake calipers? I dunno, this is a pretty "big" noise. How does a rear brake caliper make a huge rattle going over bumps, while still offering excellent braking performance? I'll check 'em out, but I can't quite picture that being the culprit here.
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08-06-2014, 09:32 AM
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You'll see what I mean if you throw the car on a lift and tap the wheels with a mallet.
It drove me absolutely bananas for the first couple months of owning this 01. There's nothing wrong with the calipers, they're not loose or broken, but some of them develop that clink/rattle, and short of replacing them there's nothing you can do about it. I had the car on the lift like 10 times, and literally inspected every square mm of the underbelly/suspension on mine, and that was the culprit. Its hard to explain exactly what is causing the issue..I just ignore the rattle now.
This is with SPORT brakes only IIRC, none of our regular nb brakes have this.
Hopefully yours is just the exhaust rattling, but I doubt it.
It drove me absolutely bananas for the first couple months of owning this 01. There's nothing wrong with the calipers, they're not loose or broken, but some of them develop that clink/rattle, and short of replacing them there's nothing you can do about it. I had the car on the lift like 10 times, and literally inspected every square mm of the underbelly/suspension on mine, and that was the culprit. Its hard to explain exactly what is causing the issue..I just ignore the rattle now.
This is with SPORT brakes only IIRC, none of our regular nb brakes have this.
Hopefully yours is just the exhaust rattling, but I doubt it.
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08-06-2014, 09:35 AM
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It's definitely not a Shinsen, as that was in 2003 and it would have been a darker grey.
Also, Ben, your LS info is a little outdated. On the later NBs, the LS package could be had with either black or tan leather / top, and the 6 speed was optional on the LS car.
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08-06-2014, 09:38 AM
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It was advertized as an LS, but I'm quite certain it's a base car with the Azure Blue Leather package.
It's definitely not a Shinsen, as that was in 2003 and it would have been a darker grey.
Also, Ben, your LS info is a little outdated. On the later NBs, the LS package could be had with either black or tan leather / top, and the 6 speed was optional on the LS car.
It's definitely not a Shinsen, as that was in 2003 and it would have been a darker grey.
Also, Ben, your LS info is a little outdated. On the later NBs, the LS package could be had with either black or tan leather / top, and the 6 speed was optional on the LS car.
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08-06-2014, 09:41 AM
#97
does this help?
2003
Colors
* Classic Red
* Pure White
* Brilliant Black
* Sunlight Silver Metalic
* Midnight Blue Mica
* Emerald Mica
* Splash Green Mica
* Garnet Red Mica
* Strato Blue Mica (Special Edition Only)
* Titanium Gray (Shinsen Version Only)
Interior Fabrics
* Black Cloth
* Black Leather (Not avalible with Midnight Blue, Emerald Mica or Garnet Red)
* Parchment Leather (Not availble with Splash Green Mica or Classic Red)
Factory Options
* Standard Miata: 16-inch Alloy Wheels
* P205/45R16 W-rated high performance tires
* Black vinyl top and boot
* Power Mirrors
* Power Antenna
* Power Windows with driver's one-touch-down feature
* AM/FM stero with 1 disc CD player and 2 speaker sound
* 3-spoke Nardi leather
* Power door locks with 2-stage locking
* Fog Lights
* Engine-immobilizer security system
* Windblocker
* Cruise Control
* Shock-tower brace
Option Packages for Standard Miata
o Convenience Package: Includes tweeter speakers, power door locks, cruise control and remote keyless entry.
o Suspension Package: Includes Sport suspension with Bilstein shocks, Tochigi-Fuji torque-sensing limited-slip differential. (Manual transmission only)
o Appearance Package 1: Large front air dam, side sill extensions and rear mud guards.
o Appearance Package 2: Small side sill extensions and rear mud guards.
+ Additonal Options
# 4-speed electronically controlled automatic transmission
# Cassette player
# In dash 6-disk CD Changer
# CFC-free air conditioning
# Detachable hardtop
# Chrome fuel-filler door
# In-dash 6-disk CD changer
# Perimeter shock sensor alarm
# Compass and outside temperature auto-dimming mirror
LS Miata:
Includes items of Standard Miata (above) plus:
o Black or Parchment Interior with leather-trimmed seats
o Black or Parchment vinyl boot
o Black or Parchment Cloth convertible top
o Tochigi-Fuji torque-sensing limited-slip differential
o Aluminum-like interior trim, including air vent bezels, center panel, door handles, shift-plate bezel and parking brake button
o Power door locks
o Remote keyless entry
o Cruis control
o Windblocker panel
o Carpeted floor matas
o Bose music system with door mounted tweeter speakers
Option Packages for LS Miata
+ Suspension Package: Sport suspension with Bilstein shock absorbers(6 speed Manual transmission only)
+ Appearance Package 1: Large front air dam, side sill extensions and rear mud guards.
+ Appearance Package 2: Small side sill extensions and rear mud guards
Additional Options
# 4 speed electronically controlled automatic transmission
# Anti-lock Brake System (ABS)
# CFC-free air conditioning
# Detachable hardtop
# 6 speed transmission
# Cassette player
Special Editions
o 2003 Special Edition This special Miata includes all the items of the LS plus Strato Blue Mica paint, Gray leather trimmed seats with matching Gray cloth top, 16-inch alloy wheels, a 6-speed transmission, white gauge faces with aluminum accent rings, aluminum door handles, chrome fuel lid and aluminum scuff plates and foot pedals, in dash 6-disk CD changer with speed-sensing audio volume control, unique keys and badging.
o Shinsen Version This special Miata includes all the items of the LS plus Titanium Gray Metallic paint, dark Blue cloth top and Blue colth seats, 16-inch alloy wheels and 6-speed transmission. Also included are leather-wraped two-tone shift ****, white gauge faces with aluminum accent rings, aluminum door handles, chrome fuel lid and aluminum scuff plates and foot pedals, in dash 6-disk CD changer with speed-sensing audio volume control, unique keys and badging. It has been reported there were only 1451 units produced.
o Club Sport Package This limited produced base Miata will not include equipment such as air condition, audio system, power steering and windblocker and is intended for SCCA competion racing. One version will come with a factory installed hardtop and no convertible top while the second version will have the factory soft top only. Production is limited to 50 cars with Classic Red and Prue White as the only color choices.
Production Changes
New for 2003
* Garnet Red Mica & Splash Green Mica
* 16-inch alloy wheels now standard
* Tochigi-Fuji torque-sensing limited-slip differential
* Cloth top on LS
* Black leather on LS
* Rearview mirror compass and outsied air temperature auto-dimming option
* Tan leather renamed "Parchment"
Discontinued
* Crystal Blue Metallic (2001-2002)
Spotting Tips
* Garnet Red Mica and Splash Green are 2003 only colors.
* Aluminum-like trim around radio, with black radio face plate.
Colors
* Classic Red
* Pure White
* Brilliant Black
* Sunlight Silver Metalic
* Midnight Blue Mica
* Emerald Mica
* Splash Green Mica
* Garnet Red Mica
* Strato Blue Mica (Special Edition Only)
* Titanium Gray (Shinsen Version Only)
Interior Fabrics
* Black Cloth
* Black Leather (Not avalible with Midnight Blue, Emerald Mica or Garnet Red)
* Parchment Leather (Not availble with Splash Green Mica or Classic Red)
Factory Options
* Standard Miata: 16-inch Alloy Wheels
* P205/45R16 W-rated high performance tires
* Black vinyl top and boot
* Power Mirrors
* Power Antenna
* Power Windows with driver's one-touch-down feature
* AM/FM stero with 1 disc CD player and 2 speaker sound
* 3-spoke Nardi leather
* Power door locks with 2-stage locking
* Fog Lights
* Engine-immobilizer security system
* Windblocker
* Cruise Control
* Shock-tower brace
Option Packages for Standard Miata
o Convenience Package: Includes tweeter speakers, power door locks, cruise control and remote keyless entry.
o Suspension Package: Includes Sport suspension with Bilstein shocks, Tochigi-Fuji torque-sensing limited-slip differential. (Manual transmission only)
o Appearance Package 1: Large front air dam, side sill extensions and rear mud guards.
o Appearance Package 2: Small side sill extensions and rear mud guards.
+ Additonal Options
# 4-speed electronically controlled automatic transmission
# Cassette player
# In dash 6-disk CD Changer
# CFC-free air conditioning
# Detachable hardtop
# Chrome fuel-filler door
# In-dash 6-disk CD changer
# Perimeter shock sensor alarm
# Compass and outside temperature auto-dimming mirror
LS Miata:
Includes items of Standard Miata (above) plus:
o Black or Parchment Interior with leather-trimmed seats
o Black or Parchment vinyl boot
o Black or Parchment Cloth convertible top
o Tochigi-Fuji torque-sensing limited-slip differential
o Aluminum-like interior trim, including air vent bezels, center panel, door handles, shift-plate bezel and parking brake button
o Power door locks
o Remote keyless entry
o Cruis control
o Windblocker panel
o Carpeted floor matas
o Bose music system with door mounted tweeter speakers
Option Packages for LS Miata
+ Suspension Package: Sport suspension with Bilstein shock absorbers(6 speed Manual transmission only)
+ Appearance Package 1: Large front air dam, side sill extensions and rear mud guards.
+ Appearance Package 2: Small side sill extensions and rear mud guards
Additional Options
# 4 speed electronically controlled automatic transmission
# Anti-lock Brake System (ABS)
# CFC-free air conditioning
# Detachable hardtop
# 6 speed transmission
# Cassette player
Special Editions
o 2003 Special Edition This special Miata includes all the items of the LS plus Strato Blue Mica paint, Gray leather trimmed seats with matching Gray cloth top, 16-inch alloy wheels, a 6-speed transmission, white gauge faces with aluminum accent rings, aluminum door handles, chrome fuel lid and aluminum scuff plates and foot pedals, in dash 6-disk CD changer with speed-sensing audio volume control, unique keys and badging.
o Shinsen Version This special Miata includes all the items of the LS plus Titanium Gray Metallic paint, dark Blue cloth top and Blue colth seats, 16-inch alloy wheels and 6-speed transmission. Also included are leather-wraped two-tone shift ****, white gauge faces with aluminum accent rings, aluminum door handles, chrome fuel lid and aluminum scuff plates and foot pedals, in dash 6-disk CD changer with speed-sensing audio volume control, unique keys and badging. It has been reported there were only 1451 units produced.
o Club Sport Package This limited produced base Miata will not include equipment such as air condition, audio system, power steering and windblocker and is intended for SCCA competion racing. One version will come with a factory installed hardtop and no convertible top while the second version will have the factory soft top only. Production is limited to 50 cars with Classic Red and Prue White as the only color choices.
Production Changes
New for 2003
* Garnet Red Mica & Splash Green Mica
* 16-inch alloy wheels now standard
* Tochigi-Fuji torque-sensing limited-slip differential
* Cloth top on LS
* Black leather on LS
* Rearview mirror compass and outsied air temperature auto-dimming option
* Tan leather renamed "Parchment"
Discontinued
* Crystal Blue Metallic (2001-2002)
Spotting Tips
* Garnet Red Mica and Splash Green are 2003 only colors.
* Aluminum-like trim around radio, with black radio face plate.
2004
Colors
* Classic Red
* Sunlight Silver Metalic
* Brilliant Black
* Pure White
* Black Cherry Mica
* Strato Blue Mica
* Emerald Mica
Interior Fabrics
* Black Cloth
* Azure Blue Cloth (package on Sunlight Silver Base Miata)
* Azure Blue Leather (package on Sunlight Silver Base Miata)
* Black Leather (Not avalible with Brilliant Black, Pure White, Strato Blue, or Emerald Mica)
* Parchment Leather (Not availble with Classic Red)
Factory Options
Standard Miata:
* 16-inch Alloy Wheels
* P205/45R16 W-rated high performance tires
* Black vinyl top and boot
* CFC-free air conditioning
* Power Mirrors
* Power Antenna
* Power Windows with driver's one-touch-down feature
* Aluminum-look double-DIN AM/FM stereo with 1 disc CD player, 2 door speakers and 2 windblocker speakers
* 3-spoke Nardi leather
* Power door locks with 2-stage locking
* Fog Lights
* Engine-immobilizer security system
* Windblocker with integrated speakers
* Carpeted floor mats
* Shock-tower brace
Option Packages for Standard Miata
o Convenience Package: Tweeter speakers, power door locks, cruise control and remote keyless entry.
o Suspension Package 1: Bilstein shocks, Tochigi-Fuji torque-sensing limited-slip differential. (Manual transmission only)
o Azure Blue Cloth Package: Blue cloth trimmed upholstery and door inserts, 16-inch titanium-colored alloy wheels, black leather-wrapped shift **** with silver stitching, all Convenienve Package items (only available with Sunlight Silver)
o Azure Blue Leather Package: Blue leather trimmed upholstery and door inserts, blue cloth convertible top, 16-inch titanium-colored alloy wheels, black leather-wrapped shift **** with silver stitching, aero board bag (?), all Convenienve Package items (only available with Sunlight Silver)
Additonal Options
+ 4-speed electronically controlled automatic transmission
+ Body-color detachable hardtop with rear window
+ Chrome-plated fuel door
+ Auto dimming mirror with compass and temperature readout
+ Cargo net
+ Antitheft perimeter alarm
LS Miata:
Includes items of Standard Miata (above) plus:
* Black or Parchment Interior with leather-trimmed seats
* Black or Parchment vinyl boot
* Black or Parchment Cloth convertible top
* Tochigi-Fuji torque-sensing limited-slip differential
* Aluminum-like interior trim, including air vent bezels, center panel, door handles, shift-plate bezel and parking brake button
* Convenience Package
* Bose music system with door mounted tweeter speakers and speed-sensing volume control
Option Packages for LS Miata
# Suspension Package 2: Bilstein shock absorbers (requires 6 speed Manual transmission and ABS)
Additional Options Includes Standard Miata options and accessories (above) plus:
* 6-speed manual transmission
* Anti-lock Brake System (ABS)
Special Editions
TBD
Production Changes
New for 2004
* Black Cherry Mica
* Silver/aluminum-face double-DIN radio with Sirius Satellite compatability (but no factory option yet)
* Windblocker with built-in speakers
* Azure blue cloth package on Highlight Silver (similar to 2003 Shinsen Version)
* Azure blue leather package on Highlight Silver (This is NOT classified as an LS even though it has leather and all the other LS features...)
Discontinued
* Splash Green (2003 only)
* Garnet Red (2003 only)
* Midnight Blue Mica
Spotting Tips
* Black Cherry Mica is new for 2004
* Silver-faced double-DIN stereo is new for 2004
* Windblocker with speakers is new for 2004
* Azure Blue cloth and leather packages are new for 2004
Colors
* Classic Red
* Sunlight Silver Metalic
* Brilliant Black
* Pure White
* Black Cherry Mica
* Strato Blue Mica
* Emerald Mica
Interior Fabrics
* Black Cloth
* Azure Blue Cloth (package on Sunlight Silver Base Miata)
* Azure Blue Leather (package on Sunlight Silver Base Miata)
* Black Leather (Not avalible with Brilliant Black, Pure White, Strato Blue, or Emerald Mica)
* Parchment Leather (Not availble with Classic Red)
Factory Options
Standard Miata:
* 16-inch Alloy Wheels
* P205/45R16 W-rated high performance tires
* Black vinyl top and boot
* CFC-free air conditioning
* Power Mirrors
* Power Antenna
* Power Windows with driver's one-touch-down feature
* Aluminum-look double-DIN AM/FM stereo with 1 disc CD player, 2 door speakers and 2 windblocker speakers
* 3-spoke Nardi leather
* Power door locks with 2-stage locking
* Fog Lights
* Engine-immobilizer security system
* Windblocker with integrated speakers
* Carpeted floor mats
* Shock-tower brace
Option Packages for Standard Miata
o Convenience Package: Tweeter speakers, power door locks, cruise control and remote keyless entry.
o Suspension Package 1: Bilstein shocks, Tochigi-Fuji torque-sensing limited-slip differential. (Manual transmission only)
o Azure Blue Cloth Package: Blue cloth trimmed upholstery and door inserts, 16-inch titanium-colored alloy wheels, black leather-wrapped shift **** with silver stitching, all Convenienve Package items (only available with Sunlight Silver)
o Azure Blue Leather Package: Blue leather trimmed upholstery and door inserts, blue cloth convertible top, 16-inch titanium-colored alloy wheels, black leather-wrapped shift **** with silver stitching, aero board bag (?), all Convenienve Package items (only available with Sunlight Silver)
Additonal Options
+ 4-speed electronically controlled automatic transmission
+ Body-color detachable hardtop with rear window
+ Chrome-plated fuel door
+ Auto dimming mirror with compass and temperature readout
+ Cargo net
+ Antitheft perimeter alarm
LS Miata:
Includes items of Standard Miata (above) plus:
* Black or Parchment Interior with leather-trimmed seats
* Black or Parchment vinyl boot
* Black or Parchment Cloth convertible top
* Tochigi-Fuji torque-sensing limited-slip differential
* Aluminum-like interior trim, including air vent bezels, center panel, door handles, shift-plate bezel and parking brake button
* Convenience Package
* Bose music system with door mounted tweeter speakers and speed-sensing volume control
Option Packages for LS Miata
# Suspension Package 2: Bilstein shock absorbers (requires 6 speed Manual transmission and ABS)
Additional Options Includes Standard Miata options and accessories (above) plus:
* 6-speed manual transmission
* Anti-lock Brake System (ABS)
Special Editions
TBD
Production Changes
New for 2004
* Black Cherry Mica
* Silver/aluminum-face double-DIN radio with Sirius Satellite compatability (but no factory option yet)
* Windblocker with built-in speakers
* Azure blue cloth package on Highlight Silver (similar to 2003 Shinsen Version)
* Azure blue leather package on Highlight Silver (This is NOT classified as an LS even though it has leather and all the other LS features...)
Discontinued
* Splash Green (2003 only)
* Garnet Red (2003 only)
* Midnight Blue Mica
Spotting Tips
* Black Cherry Mica is new for 2004
* Silver-faced double-DIN stereo is new for 2004
* Windblocker with speakers is new for 2004
* Azure Blue cloth and leather packages are new for 2004
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