Ben

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off topic, but I have a friend who always says "moo point". I asked him to explain what that meant, and he responded with "a moo point is a cow's opinion and who cares what a cow thinks."
One of these days, I'll correct him, but not yet. It's still funny to me.

jayc72

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If he actually said that he stole that from an episode of friends. I think he's yanking your chain

Ben

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oh, well he says that, and with a serious face. could be a coincidence, or the joke could be on me.

Braineack

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Well I'm not saying we bash FM as a whole. We are seriously arguing silicone pipes right now and the fact that FM uses them now.

We mostly just associate them with M.net and bandwagon over there and take our jabs. I've taken a few jabs at them, as well as BEGi.

A FM bash might come up 1 out of every 100 posts or so. So what?

Wisenhimer: Go search VF Superchargers on M.net, see how the m.net members treated the owner of the company and how he plain just stopped posting, it happens there too. If we don't pick apart companies or debate products to a certain extent then we won't have a slue of product lines like we do. (yes we don't hold back here one bit, welcome to the first admendment)

99% of the time this is a peaceful forum where we all work together to help each other out. I've meet up with plenty of members, loaned out tools, installed kits, shared horror stories, given advice, wrote a FAQ, etc.

New members show up here daily in the middle of heated debates or mouth off and leave with a nasty taste in their mouths for no apparent reason, like yourself. You drop in your .02$ in a discussion about silicone intercooler tubes, you can see people are still fifty-fifty on the things, so now we are all immature FM bashers cause you called FM yourself and asked the pressure ratings.
It's fine that you did. But what the hell is the point of coming here and being so freaking pompous about it and starting out on the wrong foot?

If you need help or want to discuss things then do it. So what if members do bash FM or not?! I love my FM springs, but I don't cry about it when people bash FM. We bash M.net for sure and other things. No doubt about it. I post there everyday. REV2RED is my name there. I give worth while information daily. I also post on clubroadster.net. I don't agree with 80% of the stuff those guys do. Do I care? No. do they bash things? Yes. Who cares?

Ultimately it comes down to one thing; you had an agenda to post here. Not to be resourceful or chip in, but to douche around.

Stephanie Turner

A metal pipe will shed over 20 degrees F. You cannot tell me that is not worthwhile..... The miata has enough heat issues without adding to it. The silicone tubes will not give off that heat.

Now, an insulated tube from the IC to TBI is a good idea. However, the amount of heat picked up by a metal pipe is minimal. About 2 to 4 degrees F.
Stephanie

Braineack

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Stephanie is a FM basher :gay:

Stephanie Turner

I take the high road, remember?!?!
Besides, I paid them a compliment. If you like that look.
Stephanie

Pitlab77

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will you and everyone else get of FM fanboy. Read my fricking postI said the engineering of BEGI looks better to my taste. And to show your how stupid you are for ASSuming I don't like FM. I use to have a FM link and even have Jeremy on my AOL buddy list. And I was astounded at how Jeremy would call me out of the blue every time he though of something to try and fix some data logs I had sent him.

I dont even know nor have ever had any contact with anyone at BEGI.

But I do know how rigid my friends APS and SAMCO hoses feel, and how thick and rigid the O'reillys silicone pipes were on my 92. And I can judge how flimsy these pipes feel compared to those. I never said "they dont work FM sucks" I said that the construction (to me) does not seem as topnotch as BEGI and for 200 dollars more I'd rather get the base I/C BEGI than the Voodoo II

y8s

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the compressor outlet pipe shedding 20deg will reduce the intercooler efficiency too... but who cares. rubber hose or steel pipe the only number that matters is the temperature of the air in the manifold.

and for what it's worth, this forum generally gives FM a hard time and kisses BEGi feet and you all know it.

I've had beers with the FM guys and I like them. When/if I get the chance I'm sure I'd say the same about BEGi.

Products-wise we should all be on this forum to say we dont like what either company offers--we like to do it ourselves. I'm going to keep spending money at both shops and other shops and do it myself.

etc etc etc. as you all say: :gay:

bripab007

Brain, if I were your lawyer, I would tell you to go back and adjust the figures in your post to: 1 out of every 30 posts [is an FM bash] and ~79% of the time [this is a "peaceful" forum].

Thank you. That is all.

Oh, and I would also tell you to add "Guns don't kill people. People kill people" to your signature. It's just good karma.

Arkmage

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So, are you saying that air leaving an IC will always be the same temp? Cause a 20* drop before entering the IC means a lower temp comming back out.

Braineack

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get off my internetz.

fmowry

iTrader: (8)

Only if the IC is maxed out.

Pitlab77,
My only issue is you equated flexibility in a hose with quality. If the pipe were to withstand vacuum and not boost, this would be a concern.

FWIW, my y-pipe in my suby is easily compressible.


Braineack,
The ratio of FM bashing to BEGI bashing here is like 100 to 1 (or zero maybe).

FWIW, I waited 8 months (maybe a bit of an exageration, but it was a looong time) to get my FMII kit (one of the first produced) back when I had my '90 because BEGI sucked at supplying FM.

Frank

Arkmage

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:sigh: heat transfer theory is obviously lost on some people.

The temperature drop across the IC would be reduced but the overall exit temperature is still going to be lower, provided that the air charge temp is still above ambient. Don't make me pull my textbooks out on your ***.

y8s

iTrader: (8)

textbooks wont give you real world data though--thats what we're all after. if you put a probe at the turbo outlet, IC inlet, and IC outlet, you'll know for sure.

if you use a metal IC inlet pipe, you might be able to run a smaller IC.

what I said was not that it reduces the outlet temp, but it reduces the efficiency of the IC. lower delta T = lower efficiency.

but then you could argue that if you're shedding heat on that pipe, why aren't you using another little IC up there? or why isn't the pipe finned or something?

My guess is it's because of the lack of airflow in the engine bay.

Ben

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I think he is saying that the heat radiated out of the hot side charge pipe would reduce the i/c efficiency in the regard that there would be less of a difference in Tin-Tout. It would also be interesting to explore how this affects radiator efficiency, as the "pass through" air would be at a comparatively low temperature.

<edit>y8s beat me to it, but that was indeed what he was saying. the reason why the hot side pipe isn't finned is extra mass/cost/complexity. even without airflow, heat would more effectively transfer from the charge-->pipe-->under hood air if the charge pipe has more surface area. Think of how older houses and apartment buildings are heated.

spike

I don't see Bill,Keith or Jeremy posting on here.

y8s

iTrader: (8)

i think they have their hands full with the m.netters.

fmowry

iTrader: (8)

Since the cooling effects IC piping greatly increase performance (apparently) why doesn't BEGI use copper piping? It's readily available, more thermoconductive than SS and probably cheaper.

Take your pick:
1) cool your pre-IC charge with heat radiating IC piping
2) pre-heat the air going into your turbo with heat radiating IC piping.

This is all a moot point because I bet you see less than 5 whp difference between the two if you swapped piping on the same car and did back to back pulls all else being equal.

Frank

spike

It's more like not enough money in their hands to benefit from on this forum.