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10-29-2008, 03:39 PM
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We will never see ours. And it actually was started as a retirment plan so that all americans will have some sort of retirement.
I don't give a crap about immigrants either. But only families that pay in should be able to draw out.
I work in a hospital, and we always have 2 or 3 illegal people drawing thousands of dollars a week, for months. And when they leave the facility they will be back in 3- 6 months. They shouldn't be able to touch our SS.
They don't give me a free pass. They would take everything I have.
Money builds, but if you take from it. It can't build. And you should only be able to take what you have built up. Just like 401K.
Another thought. what about all the people that pay in and die early. ALOT of people die before their 60's. They usually have paid in for years.
We are just screwed. I hate paying SS.
I don't give a crap about immigrants either. But only families that pay in should be able to draw out.
I work in a hospital, and we always have 2 or 3 illegal people drawing thousands of dollars a week, for months. And when they leave the facility they will be back in 3- 6 months. They shouldn't be able to touch our SS.
They don't give me a free pass. They would take everything I have.
Money builds, but if you take from it. It can't build. And you should only be able to take what you have built up. Just like 401K.
Another thought. what about all the people that pay in and die early. ALOT of people die before their 60's. They usually have paid in for years.
We are just screwed. I hate paying SS.
The illegals at your hospital are over age 62? Why are you not reporting them?
Social security is a pyramid scheme, it only works if there are more young people paying into it than there are drawing from it. Guess what's gonna happen in 10-15 years?
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10-29-2008, 03:49 PM
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**** im fucked.
How about we all just take Government 101 again and revisit the roles of Government (IE. Limited Government Powers and Checks & Balances); Left, Right, Up, Down or Alike.
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10-29-2008, 03:51 PM
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Where you going to find an unbiased person that has the ability to teach the class? I don't think I ever had a government/civics/economics teacher that wasn't radical one way or the other.
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10-29-2008, 04:41 PM
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To be honest, my answer is a selfish one as I fall into the affected income bracket (the new one, not the 250K one). I think that I already pay enough taxes. On top of that, I donate a pretty good amount of money to charities that I choose-not someone else. So, yes, I am anti-Obama and anti-socialist policies. You might not like my answer, but it is an honest one.
Bullshit. **** Obama and his poor *** supporters that need to "spread the wealth". Support yourself damn it.
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10-29-2008, 04:51 PM
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There's no incentive to want to make more money anymore. Paid over $200k in taxes over the last 3 years, didn't get a stimulus check, and now I'm getting taxed even more. And guess what, I'm far from rich. In fact, I live like a miser and not by choice.
Bullshit. **** Obama and his poor *** supporters that need to "spread the wealth". Support yourself damn it.
Bullshit. **** Obama and his poor *** supporters that need to "spread the wealth". Support yourself damn it.
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10-29-2008, 05:16 PM
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Dude.. I don't see why you're unable to understand this....
HE Admits to the world in this ******* video clip he wants to take from the rich, and give to the poor.... Government taking from rich and giving to poor is redistribution of wealth, aka, Socialism! There is no clearer way to say it aside from Barack himself saying, "Yes, I'm a Socialist!" He mgiht as well, because HE ******* IS@! (*!@^&*(!^@#&*
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10-29-2008, 05:23 PM
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Dude.. I don't see why you're unable to understand this....
HE Admits to the world in this ******* video clip he wants to take from the rich, and give to the poor.... Government taking from rich and giving to poor is redistribution of wealth, aka, Socialism! There is no clearer way to say it aside from Barack himself saying, "Yes, I'm a Socialist!" He mgiht as well, because HE ******* IS@! (*!@^&*(!^@#&*
HE Admits to the world in this ******* video clip he wants to take from the rich, and give to the poor.... Government taking from rich and giving to poor is redistribution of wealth, aka, Socialism! There is no clearer way to say it aside from Barack himself saying, "Yes, I'm a Socialist!" He mgiht as well, because HE ******* IS@! (*!@^&*(!^@#&*
you didn't answer why this is a fundamentally evil idea. don't we all joke that donald trumps should give us their money?
In other news...
AFN wants an energy emergency declared: Rural Alaska | adn.com
There's an energy emergency in alaska.
The price of oil and gas has skyrocketed. rural familes can no longer afford to heat their homes. and here's a funny **** of a quote from the article:
Originally Posted by ADN
On the final day of the convention AFN delegates voted for a slew of resolutions tackling the unofficial theme of the meeting -- soaring rural energy bills. They include:
• A call for Palin and the Legislature to inject the state budget with supplemental money to offset costs in rural schools, clinics and other public buildings
• A call for Palin and the Legislature to inject the state budget with supplemental money to offset costs in rural schools, clinics and other public buildings
omg now she's gonna be a socialist subsidizing the rural alaskans!
do you see how ridiculous it is now?
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10-29-2008, 05:24 PM
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Proof Barack Obama has ties with and was a member of the Socialist New Party before their goals and purpose were ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in 1999.
New Party removed this from their website, thankfully archive.org stepped up:
October 1996 Update
Original Source: Progressive Populist 11/96 Editorial
Straight from DSA: New Ground 47 - Chicago Democratic Socialists of America
Straight from DSA: New Ground 42 - Chicago Democratic Socialists of America
The proof is in the pudding my friend! He was a member of, was endoresed by, and attended Socialist New Party events.
Will MSM Report on Obama Membership in Socialist New Party? | NewsBusters.org
American Thinker Blog: Archives prove Obama was a New Party member (updated)
The New Media Journal | Obama Held Membership in Socialist New Party
Power Line - Barack Obama, Socialist? Part II
BackyardConservative: Obama Socialist New Party News
New Ground 45 - Chicago Democratic Socialists of America
Obama’s International Socialist Connections
Politically Drunk On Power!: Web Archives Confirm Barack Obama Was Member Of Socialist 'New Party' In 1996
Hot Air » Blog Archive » Was Obama a member of the “New Party”?
New Zeal: Obama-file 2 Barack Obama Was Endorsed by Chicago Marxists
New Party removed this from their website, thankfully archive.org stepped up:
October 1996 Update
From the October 1996 Update of the DSA 'New Party':
"New Party members are busy knocking on doors, hammering down lawn signs, and phoning voters to support NP candidates this fall. Here are some of our key races...
Illinois: Three NP-members won Democratic primaries last Spring and face off against Republican opponents on election day: Danny Davis (U.S. House), Barack Obama (State Senate) and Patricia Martin (Cook County Judiciary)."
"New Party members are busy knocking on doors, hammering down lawn signs, and phoning voters to support NP candidates this fall. Here are some of our key races...
Illinois: Three NP-members won Democratic primaries last Spring and face off against Republican opponents on election day: Danny Davis (U.S. House), Barack Obama (State Senate) and Patricia Martin (Cook County Judiciary)."
More confirmation of Obama's membership in the New Party can be found at an article in the November 1996 Progressive Populist magazine:
New Party members and supported candidates won 16 of 23 races, including an at-large race for the Little Rock, Ark., City Council, a seat on the county board for Little Rock and the school board for Prince George's County, Md. Chicago is sending the first New Party member to Congress, as Danny Davis, who ran as a Democrat, won an overwhelming 85% victory. New Party member Barack Obama was uncontested for a State Senate seat from Chicago.
New Party members and supported candidates won 16 of 23 races, including an at-large race for the Little Rock, Ark., City Council, a seat on the county board for Little Rock and the school board for Prince George's County, Md. Chicago is sending the first New Party member to Congress, as Danny Davis, who ran as a Democrat, won an overwhelming 85% victory. New Party member Barack Obama was uncontested for a State Senate seat from Chicago.
The Democratic Socialist Party of America also reported on Obama's New Party membership in its July/August 1996 edition:
The Chicago New Party is increasely becoming a viable political organization that can make a different in Chicago politics. It is crucial for a political organization to have a solid infrastructure and visible results in its political program. The New Party has continued to solidify this base.
First, in relation to its infrastructure, the NP's membership has increased since January '95 from 225 to 440. National membership has increased from 5700 in December '95 to 7000. Currently the NP's fiscal balance is $7,000 and receives an average of $450/month is sustainer donations.
Secondly, the NP's '96 Political Program has been enormously successful with 3 of 4 endorsed candidates winning electoral primaries. All four candidates attended the NP membership meeting on April 11th to express their gratitude. Danny Davis, winner in the 7th Congressional District, invited NPers to join his Campaign Steering Committee. Patricia Martin, who won the race for Judge in 7th Subcircuit Court, explained that due to the NP she was able to network and get experienced advice from progressives like Davis. Barack Obama, victor in the 13th State Senate District, encouraged NPers to join in his task forces on Voter Education and Voter Registration. The lone loser was Willie Delgado, in the 3rd Illinois House District. Although Delgado received 45% of the vote, he lost by only 800 votes. Delgado commented that it was due to the NP volunteers that he carried the 32nd Ward. Delgado emphasized that he will remain a visible community activist in Humbolt Park. He will conduct four Immigration workshops and encouraged NP activists to get involved.
The Chicago New Party is increasely becoming a viable political organization that can make a different in Chicago politics. It is crucial for a political organization to have a solid infrastructure and visible results in its political program. The New Party has continued to solidify this base.
First, in relation to its infrastructure, the NP's membership has increased since January '95 from 225 to 440. National membership has increased from 5700 in December '95 to 7000. Currently the NP's fiscal balance is $7,000 and receives an average of $450/month is sustainer donations.
Secondly, the NP's '96 Political Program has been enormously successful with 3 of 4 endorsed candidates winning electoral primaries. All four candidates attended the NP membership meeting on April 11th to express their gratitude. Danny Davis, winner in the 7th Congressional District, invited NPers to join his Campaign Steering Committee. Patricia Martin, who won the race for Judge in 7th Subcircuit Court, explained that due to the NP she was able to network and get experienced advice from progressives like Davis. Barack Obama, victor in the 13th State Senate District, encouraged NPers to join in his task forces on Voter Education and Voter Registration. The lone loser was Willie Delgado, in the 3rd Illinois House District. Although Delgado received 45% of the vote, he lost by only 800 votes. Delgado commented that it was due to the NP volunteers that he carried the 32nd Ward. Delgado emphasized that he will remain a visible community activist in Humbolt Park. He will conduct four Immigration workshops and encouraged NP activists to get involved.
Yet more proof of Obama's close involvement in the socialist New Party from NewsBusters' Hermano who provided this link to the Chicago Democratic Socialists of American September-October 1995 New Ground 42 edition:
About 50 activists attended the Chicago New Party membership meeting in July. The purpose of the meeting was to update members on local activities and to hear appeals for NP support from four potential political candidates. The NP is being very active in organization building and politics. There are 300 members in Chicago. In order to build an organizational and financial base the NP is sponsoring house parties. Locally it has been successful both fiscally and in building a grassroots base. Nationwide it has resulted in 1000 people committed to monthly contributions. The NP's political strategy is to support progressive candidates in elections only if they have a concrete chance to "win". This has resulted in a winning ratio of 77 of 110 elections. Candidates must be approved via a NP political committee. Once approved, candidates must sign a contract with the NP. The contract mandates that they must have a visible and active relationship with the NP.
The political entourage included Alderman Michael Chandler, William Delgado, chief of staff for State Rep Miguel del Valle, and spokespersons for State Sen. Alice Palmer, Sonya Sanchez, chief of staff for State Sen. Jesse Garcia, who is running for State Rep in Garcia's District; and Barack Obama, chief of staff for State Sen. Alice Palmer. Obama is running for Palmer's vacant seat.
About 50 activists attended the Chicago New Party membership meeting in July. The purpose of the meeting was to update members on local activities and to hear appeals for NP support from four potential political candidates. The NP is being very active in organization building and politics. There are 300 members in Chicago. In order to build an organizational and financial base the NP is sponsoring house parties. Locally it has been successful both fiscally and in building a grassroots base. Nationwide it has resulted in 1000 people committed to monthly contributions. The NP's political strategy is to support progressive candidates in elections only if they have a concrete chance to "win". This has resulted in a winning ratio of 77 of 110 elections. Candidates must be approved via a NP political committee. Once approved, candidates must sign a contract with the NP. The contract mandates that they must have a visible and active relationship with the NP.
The political entourage included Alderman Michael Chandler, William Delgado, chief of staff for State Rep Miguel del Valle, and spokespersons for State Sen. Alice Palmer, Sonya Sanchez, chief of staff for State Sen. Jesse Garcia, who is running for State Rep in Garcia's District; and Barack Obama, chief of staff for State Sen. Alice Palmer. Obama is running for Palmer's vacant seat.
New Party members won three other primaries this Spring in Chicago: Barack Obama (State Senate), Michael Chandler (Democratic Party Committee) and Patricia Martin (Cook County Judiciary)..."these victories prove that small 'd' democracy can work" said Obam
Winners! NP-endorsed candidates Patricia Martin (far left), Danny Davis (center), and Barack Obama (far right), celebrate with Chicago New Party members Ted Thomas and Ruth Schools after their victories in the Democratic primary last month.
American Thinker Blog: Archives prove Obama was a New Party member (updated)
The New Media Journal | Obama Held Membership in Socialist New Party
Power Line - Barack Obama, Socialist? Part II
BackyardConservative: Obama Socialist New Party News
New Ground 45 - Chicago Democratic Socialists of America
Obama’s International Socialist Connections
Politically Drunk On Power!: Web Archives Confirm Barack Obama Was Member Of Socialist 'New Party' In 1996
Hot Air » Blog Archive » Was Obama a member of the “New Party”?
New Zeal: Obama-file 2 Barack Obama Was Endorsed by Chicago Marxists
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10-29-2008, 06:01 PM
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You really think Obama is going to organize a worker's revolution and overthrow the elite and "redistribute the wealth"? I seriously doubt he will do anything but maintain the status quo. Saying you think the wealth in this country should be redistributed does not make you a communist. Why the hell would he have so many wall street lobbyists in his campaign if he hated capitalism so much? And how ******* brainwashed have people become when they think that the current economic divide that keeps so much power and money in the hands of so few while the rest of us struggle to make ends meet is something we should protect? Redistributing the wealth doesn't mean he's going to forcibly take the money out of rich people's pockets and put it in the poor's, it means he wants to create program's and a tax system that doesn't favor the wealthy and stifle the less fortunate. Make things more "fair". Again, I'm not voting for him, but let's cut the bullshit.
Haha, I see 30 arguable points in your argument. I can't believe nobody tore this apart. I'll make a few comments.
The divide tax brackets does divide the wealth. Making them more extreme to favor the poor person is redistributing the wealth to me. How is it not? How is this not socialist?
Bold part- Taxing people is forcing them to pay or close enough. Taxes is how the government takes your money.
Red- Highly debatable that any of this makes anything more "fair". Highly highly debatable. What makes it fair? Who decided what fair is? What about the guy that busts his *** for years to get where he is, should he pay more for his efforts? Or do lazy people that don't try to better themselves be given a break for not trying?
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10-29-2008, 06:01 PM
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Here is the bottom line. I work my *** off for what I have, and I'll be god damned if some ********** is going to come take whats rightfully mine and give it to some fat lazy **** with no job. I'm a very strong supporter of the Constitution the way it was written, along with my Second Amendment rights, and I'll fight to my death over it.
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10-29-2008, 06:01 PM
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still waiting to hear why tiny changes in the tax structure that some call "socialism" is vilified. simple question: what is so bad about the way it's been proposed?
jayc72: all due respect, you can't vote here and come from a place with crappy nationalized healthcare
jayc72: all due respect, you can't vote here and come from a place with crappy nationalized healthcare
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10-29-2008, 06:09 PM
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Oh, Like North Korea?
Here is the bottom line. I work my *** off for what I have, and I'll be god damned if some ********** is going to come take whats rightfully mine and give it to some fat lazy **** with no job. I'm a very strong supporter of my Second Amendment rights, and I'll fight to my death over it.
Here is the bottom line. I work my *** off for what I have, and I'll be god damned if some ********** is going to come take whats rightfully mine and give it to some fat lazy **** with no job. I'm a very strong supporter of my Second Amendment rights, and I'll fight to my death over it.
Let me ask you this. What does a typical College education at a state school cost? How much does it cost to have a baby with out some sort of third party insurance?
Dude your government has pissed away a LOT of money in areas that have nothing to do with fat lazy people with out jobs. What's it cost to wage a war on somebody these days?
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