tell me about 291 RWHP
03-18-2008, 10:01 AM
#82
I agree for the most part on most of what you stated. Don't know much about FFS. I've bought most of my parts from FM for the miata because they had what I needed when I needed it, not because I cater to one or the other. Blah blah blah.... blah blah blah.... blah! Blah? blahhhhhh
Bottom line, I don't have a favorite because I have not been in the miata world that long. But I can say you guys do things different.
Bottom line, I don't have a favorite because I have not been in the miata world that long. But I can say you guys do things different.
Last edited by Newbsauce; 03-18-2008 at 10:13 AM. Reason: Attempting to be nicer. My therapist recommends it :)
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03-18-2008, 01:08 PM
#83
Thats a lot of text and absolutely no useful points. We get the fact that you have problems with BEGI, and like FM. I understood that point many posts ago, before you beat it into the ground. If you want a board that will stroke your ego and might value that opinion, then go back to the MSM boards with individuals who are happy with their "Stage" upgrades. This is not that board, and we've heard this battle before.
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03-18-2008, 03:11 PM
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Yeah, you said that three pages ago. 
I think the difference between the mustang world and the miata world is that there are far fewer players in the miata world. Only a few companies make viable forced induction products for the Miata. I think when you have so few competitors, stepping on toes is inevitable.
Usually, both FM and BEGi try to take the highroad. Normally, you won't see the vendors start anything. Any remarks they make are reactions or comments made in reply to a post by a fanboy.
That said, I was a bit surprised to see the "Look at what FM is putting out" page on the BEGi site though. It makes a point, and it is a point well taken, but it's going to be a bit blunt to some people. I appreciated it, but I think it's going to rile up the FM fanboys.
I think the difference between the mustang world and the miata world is that there are far fewer players in the miata world. Only a few companies make viable forced induction products for the Miata. I think when you have so few competitors, stepping on toes is inevitable.
Usually, both FM and BEGi try to take the highroad. Normally, you won't see the vendors start anything. Any remarks they make are reactions or comments made in reply to a post by a fanboy.
That said, I was a bit surprised to see the "Look at what FM is putting out" page on the BEGi site though. It makes a point, and it is a point well taken, but it's going to be a bit blunt to some people. I appreciated it, but I think it's going to rile up the FM fanboys.
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03-18-2008, 03:45 PM
#90
Sorry to post back on the original topic....Boring...
It's been obvious for a long time that FM's numbers are inflated. Take a look at the FM2 on a stock 96 car. 244 hp at 6psi? Who are they kidding. My guess is these huge numbers sell a lot of kits to people who do no research. Some newb looking for a kit would think "244hp at 6psi? Hey, they posted it on their website, it must be true!"
It's been obvious for a long time that FM's numbers are inflated. Take a look at the FM2 on a stock 96 car. 244 hp at 6psi? Who are they kidding. My guess is these huge numbers sell a lot of kits to people who do no research. Some newb looking for a kit would think "244hp at 6psi? Hey, they posted it on their website, it must be true!"
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03-18-2008, 04:17 PM
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the problem is there is no correcting factor for altitude, so they used one they deemed fit. their results are consistent, so that's good. Its hard to compare theirs to sea level ones...
so to say, this FMII is making 20rwhp more than the rest at FM is saying something...
so to say, this FMII is making 20rwhp more than the rest at FM is saying something...
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03-18-2008, 06:37 PM
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Brain, if they advertised it as "FMII MSM on 93 octane: +20hp!", then your point would be valid. But they don't. They advertise it as a 291whp MSM, and people just eat it up (as is made very, very clear on that MSM forum.)
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03-18-2008, 07:24 PM
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To me it's worth it to have a vendor out there that's always attempting to answer what the market is pushing. The Miata Aftermarket is as good as it is because of FM's roll in it. All I’m saying is they play a big enough of a role to have an impact. (they aren’t the only players) That said… I doubt, question and argue every chance I get because that's what's good for Quality Assurance and the roll of the consumer.
Screw them!! I want my parts and I want them better quality and for less money...Most of all i want them yesterday !!
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03-18-2008, 07:58 PM
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I was about to buy an Xede, but from Stephanies conduct, I get the feeling that if I had an issue with something, she would let her personal beliefs get in the way of her professional obligation. That may not be the case, however, I don't know her personally so I wouldn't take the chance.
Additionally, I've seen her post stuff that I no is BS and she stands by it. As an example, she claimed that one of their DP's made X amout of HP over an FM DP (significant amount). She was called on it because there was no baseline done with the vehicle before they removed the FM pipe and installed the BEGI pipe, and she clearly stated that they did some tuning after they installed their pipe. To me and most, the increase could have easily been attributed to the tuning. She insisted otherwise. IMO, that instance was no different than some folks here calling BS on the FM correction factors.
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03-18-2008, 08:07 PM
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The tig welds you are complaining about are on mild steel, which I will agree are not perfect but they are better than the MIG welds on the other parts. Mild steel really isn't the best medium for tig welds. You'll notice that the TIG stainless welds look better and the Aluminum looks the best.
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03-18-2008, 09:14 PM
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This from the person who says alot of non-polite and derogatory comments about me, and to me, on the MSM forum. After the "BEGi Blacklist" fiasco (which you started and propagated) you sent me e-mails asking for help and info. They had a courteous and timely response. This is slanderous of you to claim or insinuate pettiness when I have proven the exact opposite on a couple of occasions.
You would be incorrect. I have dyno runs posted of before and after. I also have dyno sheets of the same pipe on a stock MSM to verify the gain results. Of coarse we tuned after installing the pipe. It was previously tuned, by us, for the FM pipe. Call me crazy for thinking that it only seemed fair to tune for the new pipe. I will stand behind it today.
Stephanie
You would be incorrect. I have dyno runs posted of before and after. I also have dyno sheets of the same pipe on a stock MSM to verify the gain results. Of coarse we tuned after installing the pipe. It was previously tuned, by us, for the FM pipe. Call me crazy for thinking that it only seemed fair to tune for the new pipe. I will stand behind it today.
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03-18-2008, 09:34 PM
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All lies. You brought up the blacklist issue, I questioned it. You clearly stated you did no baseline prior to the new install and tune, it was questioned. Yes I did ask you for maps and you provided them, thank you. Derogatory? if it walks like a duck...qwack qwack, so be it.
You put a part on give it the best safe tune you can.. then swap a part and do the best safe tune you can get. They are doing it the right way.
your baseline idea doesn't make sense think about this way.. you put a GT2554r on and you tune it safe then you put a GT2560.. what does that give you really?
A poorly tuned GT2560 ..
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03-18-2008, 09:44 PM
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To tune after the swap is the point.
You put a part on give it the best safe tune you can.. then swap a part and do the best safe tune you can get. They are doing it the right way.
your baseline idea doesn't make sense think about this way.. you put a GT2554r on and you tune it safe then you put a GT2560.. what does that give you really?
A poorly tuned GT2560 ..
You put a part on give it the best safe tune you can.. then swap a part and do the best safe tune you can get. They are doing it the right way.
your baseline idea doesn't make sense think about this way.. you put a GT2554r on and you tune it safe then you put a GT2560.. what does that give you really?
A poorly tuned GT2560 ..
According to the situation in question, and what she posted, she only swapped the DP. There was no tune before they swapped the pipe. This is according to what was posted. I don't understand how you can claim a specific HP increase when you never baselined the car in the first place. Yeah, tune and baseline with one pipe, then, tune with the second pipe. Makes perfect sense. But if you don't tune and baseline, it's difficult to tell how much increase came from the DP and how much is because of the tune. With a DP, and trying to measure the differance, I'd prefer to see the number with the same tune. I think that would be a better gauge of the difference in the two parts.
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