Want or do not want? Subaru BRZ STI
07-30-2012, 11:33 AM
#442
drive a car with torque vectoring and tell me what you think.
they simply apply a little brake to the inside wheel to push the power to the outside, without the need of a mechanical diff. Wanna know what other cars do this instead of a mechanical diff: The Boxster, 911, 135, McLaren MP4-12C, just to name a few.
I'm going to be driving this car 10 miles a day, with like 3 turns a day.
But I could see this as being an issue on a FWD track car.
they simply apply a little brake to the inside wheel to push the power to the outside, without the need of a mechanical diff. Wanna know what other cars do this instead of a mechanical diff: The Boxster, 911, 135, McLaren MP4-12C, just to name a few.
I'm going to be driving this car 10 miles a day, with like 3 turns a day.
But I could see this as being an issue on a FWD track car.
I'd add: or any other spirited driving besides the daily commute and/or if the car is modded.
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07-30-2012, 12:16 PM
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This is true for Japan where insurance companies base part of the rate off of number of available seats. However, in the U.S. insurance companies base rates off of the number of doors. This is why the Japanese crx had a back seat that was stupid and the U.S. spec only had a shelf.
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07-30-2012, 12:25 PM
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So, the reason for FWD is to make the manufacturing cheaper*. But driving them sucks. So now they put thousands of dollars into developing solutions to a problem they created by being cheap. And they're priced even more than before. How about we just go back to simple RWD platforms and leave all the whiz-bang crap off the damned car?
*(All the smoke about "better traction" is just marketing crap)
*(All the smoke about "better traction" is just marketing crap)
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07-30-2012, 12:38 PM
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Just a note on the legroom issue. My buddy got one and we had this discussion. Then we went for a drive with 4 people. two of us are ~6' 180-210lbs and we were in the back. It's not super comfortable, but it really was not as bad as I was expecting it to be. If you had to, you could make it work, but you wouldn't do it all the time. If you've ever been in the back of a 911 you'll know what a terrible seat is. The Brz/Fr-s is miles better then that.
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07-31-2012, 08:06 AM
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The saleswoman had no problem in the back seat during our test drive. I personally prefer my seat far enough back when driving that there wouldn't be sufficient legroom, but the seats are very adjustable and I could easily drive fine two notches forward, leaving room in the rear.
Our imgur gallery from the trip:
imgur.com/a/knVVb
GoPro vid to follow soon (from the Dragon) and still waiting on KillBoy to post on whether or not it was the first BRZ to hit the Dragon, which we were told by several of the locals.
Our imgur gallery from the trip:
imgur.com/a/knVVb
GoPro vid to follow soon (from the Dragon) and still waiting on KillBoy to post on whether or not it was the first BRZ to hit the Dragon, which we were told by several of the locals.
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07-31-2012, 08:27 AM
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The saleswoman had no problem in the back seat during our test drive. I personally prefer my seat far enough back when driving that there wouldn't be sufficient legroom, but the seats are very adjustable and I could easily drive fine two notches forward, leaving room in the rear.
Our imgur gallery from the trip:
imgur.com/a/knVVb
GoPro vid to follow soon (from the Dragon) and still waiting on KillBoy to post on whether or not it was the first BRZ to hit the Dragon, which we were told by several of the locals.
Our imgur gallery from the trip:
imgur.com/a/knVVb
GoPro vid to follow soon (from the Dragon) and still waiting on KillBoy to post on whether or not it was the first BRZ to hit the Dragon, which we were told by several of the locals.
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07-31-2012, 09:08 AM
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sweet!
here's the wrinkly shirt I gave you:
we should have raced my altima
that thing can pull a 15.7 1/4 mile.
oh yeah, I notcied the position of the reverse lights:
how are they actually at night? I hate that red superman logo, however.
here's the wrinkly shirt I gave you:
we should have raced my altima
that thing can pull a 15.7 1/4 mile.
oh yeah, I notcied the position of the reverse lights:
how are they actually at night? I hate that red superman logo, however.
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07-31-2012, 10:41 AM
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That shirt was super wrinkly, but it was a welcome change to the blue mt.net shirt I'd sweated in all day roaming the mall.
The Lost Dog was pretty cool, I really enjoyed the Mixed Italian...y8s knows food, and it was a shame we couldn't wait in DC long enough to catch him as well. We didn't make it to Clemson until 4am as it was.
Also didn't catch SamNavy in New Orleans which was a shame. He said he was all about the groupsex...
The Lost Dog was pretty cool, I really enjoyed the Mixed Italian...y8s knows food, and it was a shame we couldn't wait in DC long enough to catch him as well. We didn't make it to Clemson until 4am as it was.
Also didn't catch SamNavy in New Orleans which was a shame. He said he was all about the groupsex...
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08-01-2012, 05:19 PM
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Quoted from another site, allegedly pulled From 949Racing's Facebook page (I say allegedly only because I have not verified it personally):
If I have my facts straight, the 2:03.75 is on par with Emilio's NB2-engined 95R SuperMiata street project car (2:03.16 on 2012-01-30) and a few hundredths slower than the old silver 1999 rental car's 2010 time of 2:03.39 (before it became Crusher).
Not too shabby for a wheel, tire, brake pad and coilover change in 93* heat and not much seat time in that vehicle.
Some FR-S test results from Buttonwillow 13CW this weekend. In each case, I did maybe 1-2 hot laps then came in. I had a total of 8-10 full laps for the entire day, 1-2 laps at at time then in for changes. I had to adapt to whatever changes we made on the out lap, go for it then back in for more adjustments or switch drivers. The car's owner did the bulk of the driving. So most of my laps had little errors, or traffic. I'd say each lap time posted here left 1s on the table in the same conditions. All runs 100% as delivered from dealer unless otherwise mentioned.
1. 100% bone stock + Carbotech XP10/XP8 pads, 85° 2:12.1
2. 255/40/17 RS3 on 17x9, Subaru "crash" alignment bolts, 90° 2:07.1
3. Same as 2, + prototype AST 4150's, 93°, 2:03.75. This lap had three big mistakes.
Too hot and ran out of time to test much else. Lots left on the table. Sub 2:00 car on RS3's in cool weather with a few tweaks to the coilover setup. Wanted to test the Ventus TD C71's but didn't get them in time. That would have been high 1:58's I think. Yes, the FR-S is fast.
1. 100% bone stock + Carbotech XP10/XP8 pads, 85° 2:12.1
2. 255/40/17 RS3 on 17x9, Subaru "crash" alignment bolts, 90° 2:07.1
3. Same as 2, + prototype AST 4150's, 93°, 2:03.75. This lap had three big mistakes.
Too hot and ran out of time to test much else. Lots left on the table. Sub 2:00 car on RS3's in cool weather with a few tweaks to the coilover setup. Wanted to test the Ventus TD C71's but didn't get them in time. That would have been high 1:58's I think. Yes, the FR-S is fast.
If I have my facts straight, the 2:03.75 is on par with Emilio's NB2-engined 95R SuperMiata street project car (2:03.16 on 2012-01-30) and a few hundredths slower than the old silver 1999 rental car's 2010 time of 2:03.39 (before it became Crusher).
Not too shabby for a wheel, tire, brake pad and coilover change in 93* heat and not much seat time in that vehicle.
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08-01-2012, 11:34 PM
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^ This kind of data from actual track people is always funny as hell when compared to main-line media tests that run cars on crap stock rubber they typically come with. "The BRZ does not have the putright grip of X..."
No, the lame stock tires dont have the grip of 'x'. The BRZ is probably going to crap all over a lot of hardware when it wears actual tires.
But hey, nobody get tire upgrades on a sports car. It would ruin the balance.
No, the lame stock tires dont have the grip of 'x'. The BRZ is probably going to crap all over a lot of hardware when it wears actual tires.
But hey, nobody get tire upgrades on a sports car. It would ruin the balance.
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08-02-2012, 10:08 AM
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More from 949's FB:
That's it, I want one. This is the first time in my life that I've wanted a new car and could probably afford the payments.
*mustnotbuynewcarmustnotbuynewcarmustnostbuynewcar mustnotbuynewcar*
The FR-S is simply faster for a given level of modifications. It's much closer to an AP2 than an NA/NB or even NC. It may turn out to be just as fast or even faster than an AP2 for the same mods. Tough to get an AP2 really fast without a wing or geometry modifications. The FR-S will probably end up more like the NB in that it just needs coilovers, alignment and wheels to go fast.
We knew after the first drive on our local business park test loop about two months ago. The few others in the industry that knew were keeping quiet, including us. Everyone else who hasn't driven one or simply couldn't see the potential, cynical and skeptical. We figure it's only a matter of time until the cat is out of the bag so we posted up.
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08-02-2012, 12:18 PM
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I feel the same way. I could go out, pay cash, and not even really have to worry about it, but I'm not mentally prepared to spend $25-28k in one fell swoop. But I really like this car.
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08-02-2012, 01:11 PM
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Mark and Roger - If you need a reason not to go and buy this car brand new, consider the upcoming turbo kits. Even the most basic one on a straight 93 AKI tune at 4 PSI was making an extra ~50 whp and completely erased the "torque valley/hump."
Like the Miata and S2000, this car won't need massive power to be really fast (on a road course) but an extra 50 whp/tq will make for a much more fun street car. By waiting, you either get to see if the OEMs produce a kit that maintains the warranty or you avoid the first year depreciation and get a used car to void a shorter warranty on.
Like the Miata and S2000, this car won't need massive power to be really fast (on a road course) but an extra 50 whp/tq will make for a much more fun street car. By waiting, you either get to see if the OEMs produce a kit that maintains the warranty or you avoid the first year depreciation and get a used car to void a shorter warranty on.
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