Savington

iTrader: (31)

Be specific, too. This isn't a thread to talk about how they're a bunch of wine and cheese-eating ------s, or how all their mods are egotisitical yes-men. Be more specific than that, and be reasonable, because this thread could actually mean something.

-What actions or decisions do you disagree with?
-What are your personal beefs with the mod staff over there?

Try to stay focused on the staff and their decisions, vs. the membership. We can't change the members.

neogenesis2004

iTrader: (12)

There always seems to be sponsor based bias on locked threads regarding product reviews.

I pretty much troll there, I hardly ever post. That is my main observation over the years.

Stein

iTrader: (46)

Well, if we can't comment on the membership and only the mods, the mods too quickly shut you down when you slap the pee pee of idiot posters for posting stupid or incorrect stuff, not searching, asking the same question that was just asked yesterday, etc. like we can here.

Over there, it perpetuates itself because there are zero checks and balances. You can't stop them from doing stupid stuff, so they keep doing it. Over here, that stops pretty quickly.

EDIT: Oh, and stupidity is not a bannable offense like it is here.

y8s

iTrader: (8)

somewhat like what stein says.

I see a lot of threads closed because a mod thinks "that's enough" but it's often unclear what "enough" means.

and the edits! if you're going to edit a post and make us all confused, at least put a moderator's note in the post you edit to say what you changed.

you know like

<verbal attack removed> or <profanity> or whatever. dont break the continuity for posterity by removing chunks of text.

edit for more:

I also dont want to pay to use it for avatars and classifieds. there, I said it.

zoomin

iTrader: (16)

I think the main complaint is that the same questions get asked over and over when the mods should be cracking down on this. If they would actually "moderate" the idiots, m.net wouldn't be too bad. But it is frustrating to read the same crap over and over again, especially if you need to search for something, this is why I prefer to not post on there much and like being on here.

albumleaf

iTrader: (7)

Yeah, moderation over there focuses too much on making sure some stupid ------ doesn't get his feelings hurt when he posts an OMG I CHANGED MY OWN OIL thread and puts it into his sig.

Stein

iTrader: (46)

LOL, that would be considered a "mod" for the NC folk.

EDIT: Sorry Sav, that was a "membership" comment.

Savington

iTrader: (31)

Can you give me some examples of this? We are supposed to not do that, and I go out of my way to substitute words (crap, stuff, junk, etc) when I make edits.

As far as how the membership is treated, it's the atmosphere of the site and I think most people get that, even if we don't like it. I want to look more at the moderation staff, whether there are things (like closing threads critical of sponsors and making crappy edits) that we can change.

samnavy

iTrader: (7)

Hmmm... I have only one problem with m.net, but I totally understand why.

When you break it down to the absolute bottom line, the Admin/Mod crew is there protect the "sensitivities" of the average m.netter and it's vendors.

I would be ******* insulted if a moderator on any of the dozen forums I regularly post on felt the need to save me from another member's internet opinion, no matter how right or wrong they or I might be. If somebody calls me out, I either jump their **** or admit I was wrong and carry on.

Sensitive types though will simply LOG OUT and never come back... which hurts the bottom line... profit. People logging out does not make sales for the vendors or clicky-links for eBay auctions. People leaving means vendor advertising dollars will also leave.

In Hustler speak... When you have ------y girl car that was aimed to sell to girls and ****, and throw in a bunch of male non-**** trying to un-*** it... people trying to *** it back up on the internet is going to result in a bunch of *** name-calling. M.net vs. MT.net, the end.

Saml01

iTrader: (9)

If I want to call someone a retard, then I should be allowed too. If you are old enough to use the internet then you are old enough to accept harsh criticism. Gentle hand holding and caress wont make you want to use your brain in the future.

Asking the same question over and over should be met with locked thread and instructions to use search.

Arguments between members should be allowed to continue until a resolution is reached by the arguing members, not when a mod thinks its time to lock the thread.

If I want to write "---- **** and **** *************" in my sig or anywhere in my posts, then I think I should be able too. If you are online then censorship is not a mods responsibility its your parents if they cant handle you reading curses.

If I want to say that flyin miata support and product sucks donkey dick(not saying it does just an example) then I think I should be able to voice my concern. If I want to say that begi stiffed me on a part for 5 months holding up my build then I should. The people have a right to know, in turn it that gets these companies off their asses to reduce the problems, and that benefits everyone.

Also, Miata.net folk are ******* weird as sin. I have gone to one meet with them and my first impression was "holy **** these people are way to obsessive about their cars for me".

Bottom, bottom line is that sites members are either A. way WAY to nice toward one another or B. Are forced to be nice to one another. It's almost un real sometimes. It just reaks of a giant friendly circle jerk that everyone enjoys and doesnt feel akward about in anyway but the truth is on everyones mind.

P.S. They also have this douche nozzel moderator over their called Savington and that guy is like Garys biggest *** bucket in the arsenal.

Braineack

iTrader: (62)

I just don't like most the members and lack of humor. I had myself banned from the water cooler section, otherwise, as you know, I'm an active member there.

Savington

iTrader: (31)

We aren't good enough friends to trade shots like this. Stop doing it.

gospeed81

iTrader: (51)

I always feel like there are too many threads that get closed, posts deleted, or PMs sent about action that the mod making the action hasn't thoroughly read, understood, or weighed enough for a response.

It may be the workload, as I know that site gets and ungodly amount of worthless threads created each day (members not staff). But why are the interesting ones made soggy as soon as a mod can even fabricate some far fetched reason that it's outside of the lines.

It makes me feel like a little kid again. Remember how adults used to call and immediate halt to whatever discussion/argument they didn't like the sound of? That's m.net.

In other words...I should be a mod.

thymer

iTrader: (5)

I always thought you two were pretty tight.... reeeeeeaaal tight...

Too much ***** moderation over there and they seem to get off on it. Not the sort of people I would hang out with socially, guess not on the internet either.

Miatamaniac92

+what Samnavy said.



-What actions or decisions do you disagree with?

Not allowing YouTubes inline (I just logged in and see inline pictures has finally been added).

BullShit New Classifieds forum; no responses in the thread equals lame (the item and price speaks for itself, thread "crapping" should be allowed as some people need a wake up call and if not the item will still sell if it's priced appropriately), and requiring a paid membership. You add value to the non-members by letting the higher % of non-members post, this equals more views and more ads.

WTB Section; I posted a thread for 1.8 brake brackets. I replied to my own thread when I purchased the part as a point of reference, many people offered to sell me the part at almost double the price I ended up purchasing it for. I posted said information and Don deleted it b/c I "bumped" my own thread. If they want the threads to stay up, make it default to show 100 threads.

40 post max for a page (should be atleast 100)


-What are your personal beefs with the mod staff over there?
The avatars make it hard to take most of them serious,

Chris

Joe Perez

iTrader: (8)

When I first saw this thread title, I feared I was going to have to jump in here with my usual "no inter-forum flame wars" warning. But since Savington is a moderator at M.net, I understand the utility of this thread. There is indeed a subtle but pervasive undercurrent of resentment here which always makes me uncomfortable, as I'm very much of the "why can't we all just get along" school of thought.

Rather than criticize our rival forum, I actually thought I'd share an instance where I was really pleased with the staff at M.net.

A few months ago, I sent a PM to Gary asking why he didn't allow inline images. This was something that I always found annoying, as I often use schematic diagrams and parts drawings to aid in my posts. Gary responded that he was fearful of the abuse of images, and didn't want them slowing down the forum for the few people who still use dialup. Understanding these concerns, I pointed out that vBulliten (the forum software he uses) does permit filtering of image size, and noted that image abuse, while a consideration, has not often been a problem here at MT and is easily addressed by the moderators, of whom he has plenty. He seemed unmoved, but said he's think about it. I none the less thanked him for at least considering my arguments with an open mind.

Well, imagine my surprise when just a few weeks later, inline images are suddenly permitted at M.net! It's certainly made my life a bit easier, and so far as I can tell, has not caused any fatalities.

Moral of the rambling story: don't judge too harshly, and don't be a dick about things. Approach the staff with a rational and understanding attitude, and grievances can be addressed. Hell, that applies here just as much as there.

UrbanSoot

iTrader: (24)

i stopped visiting that forum about 2 years ago without any regret. i HATED moderation; most of the content is USELESS; and worst of all - advertisement

ScottFW

iTrader: (4)

I'm guessing the locked/deleted thread related to the Cosworth/NC debacle precipitated some of this discussion. Supposedly Gary locked it for sponsor bashing? There wasn't any real bashing of Corky from what I saw, but the OP of that thread either fails at communication, or deliberately posted a thread title with a troll-like intent. Pretty much the entire first page of that thread was useless, but it started getting on topic around post #24.

Aside from non-existent sponsor bashing, I'm guessing much of the complaining over the lock is because of the timing- it occurred after the thread was already on topic again. It's like if you try to discipline your dog because he shat on the carpet eight hours ago. He assumes everything's hunky-dory by now and wonders why you're coming down with a rolled up newspaper. I bet nobody would have cared if the thread was locked and deleted around post #10, or if the crap was deleted and the useful posts remained. Some people might not also realize there's already a lengthy thread on the Cosworth/NC issue in the NC forum over there, so the lock/delete of a similar thread started by a troll is not a big loss IMO.

Saml01

iTrader: (9)

Go lock a thread about it.

kotomile

iTrader: (24)

I just don't have the time to browse yet another forum. I check MT.net for relevant turbo Miata info, NorCalRoadsters for local info, and thejdm.com because I have good friends there and I'm a supermod. I troll RD from time to time and check progress on some awesome builds. I don't see any reason to log onto m.net and browse through "why not to use a K&N filter" and "where to drive with the top down" type of threads.