dstn2bdoa

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This made me laugh.

old school

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Made me lauph my 4$$ off. Still am laughing.

shuiend

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Shoot them? That should scare life out of them.

samnavy

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This is a pretty common question and is easily answered. I'll go a bit more in-depth than may be needed and probably stray off topic... just bear with me.

First... your personal protection plan should be layered. Whether you're at home or out in public, the gun should be the last resort. This should be something you THINK about in advance, and should the need arise to draw a firearm, you've exhausted all other possible solutions. You may be faced with a situation where there is no warning, and your firearm is the first and only choice, but this is only in the rarest of scenarios. There is almost ALWAYS something else you can do far prior to resorting to lethal force.

The rules for using lethal force are essentially the same for civilians as they are for police officers in that your must be able to demonstrate that you were in fear of death or great bodily harm... ie, the other guy is trying to kill you, had the means to kill you, and was essentially "in the act" of killing you.

Because of this, there is no such thing as "fire a warning shot" or "just shoot him in the leg". If you're in fear of your life, then you shoot for center mass with the intent of hitting your target. In a courtroom, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CONVINCE A JURY THAT YOU WERE AFRAID FOR YOUR LIFE IF YOU FELT "A WARNING SHOT WAS SUFFICIENT".

In fact, if you fire a warning shot, and then the bad guy gets the upper hand and hurts you, he'll be able to convice a jury that HE was afraid for his life because some nutjob was shooting at him, and he had to attack him. And you'll be proven a nutjob when the jury learns you put blanks in your gun. Go directly to jail once you're out of the hospital if you lived through the attack.

In fact x2, if you draw your weapon, don't end up firing a shot, and the bad guy calls the cops, he can claim you pulled on him and get yourself arrested for assault.

In fact x3, you better be damned familiar with every law your state has on the books regarding firearm ownership, self-defense, castle-doctrine, stand-your-ground, etc... While you may live through some horrible event, you may **** it up bad enough to spend the rest of your life in jail.

Self-defense with firearms is not a game. There is no "creative" way or reason to get fancy. At some point, you may feel your life is in danger and draw your firearm. Depending on the circumstances, you will have seconds or less from clearing the holster to firing, perhaps numerous shots at numerous attackers in numerous directions. Your life will be at stake, and you will live or die based on how you've prepared.

Once you draw your weapon, there are only 2 immediate results... either the bad guy stops his actions and you don't fire, or he continues his actions and you do fire with intent to hit him in the middle of the chest.

On a techincal note, guns of different types are designed to be carried in a specific "Condition". For example, 1911 type pistols are designed to be carried with a round chambered, hammer back, safety ON. Glock pistols on the other hand have no safety or hammer, and are simply designed to be carried with a round chambered. Revolvers should only be carried hammer-down, etc...

On another technical note, there are of course deviations from the "standard". A method of concealed carry that some people use is called "Israeli carry". When carrying a semi-auto pistol in the "index position"... ie, front of the pants with the gun pointed at your dick, they will intentionally leave the chamber empty, safety-off, and train extensively to chamber a round in a simultaneous move during the draw motion. Although the Israelis did this because they didn't trust the safeties on their guns, others have turned it in to an actual "tactic".

Also... take a defensive pistolcraft course, or just read a book. Massad Ayoob, Col Jeff Cooper, and John Pershing have lifetimes of getting concealed carry and firearms self-defense correct and have written many books on the subject.

MD323

I dont on any front consider myself a gun or political expert. so I have to ask.. with the known details of the gun "rules" obama wants to pass, would a standard ruger LCP (6+1) be effected? I ask because the wife and I carry one and she wants a 2nd opinion on her legal rights with the pending rules.


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gearhead_318

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Most of the time when a law is passed banning whatever type of gun, if you already have said gun or a gun that violates the new law your gun is grandfathered into being legal.



Busy guy...

GeneSplicer

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Boycotting NY... f-u-c-k-e-d u-p... I feel for our fellow gun owning men/women there - the state just made most of them criminals...

MD323

the current bill requires us to register, which makes the wife and I fear a later retro-active gun grab hence why I asked. this was what they did in the UK and Aus from my understanding.

samnavy

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MD, I don't know where you live... where is SFL?

As of this post, there have been no federal firearms law passed that would affect your ownership or legality of a Ruger LCP.

New York just passed a bunch of crazy **** (that will be hit with about 1000 lawsuits tomorrow morning) that will also not affect anybody owning a Ruger LCP.

Gun confiscation was performed in England and Australia after decades of intense registration and control schemes and following a series of mass-murder events. Basically what New York just did pales in comparison to straight up "turn in your guns or go to jail" that Australia did in 1996.

gearhead_318

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Marine to senator: 'No ma'am,' I won't register my guns - CNN.com

I'm not sayen', I'm just sayen'...

MD323

Florida.
thanks, thats what I thought but with the media mixing words you cant really be sure where they are going.add in the wifes paranoia and with my employment status (IT in boca, enough said) I wasnt too happy with searching around to find the answers on the net'.

thats why I love this forum, guns.. miatas.. and tiny mazda motors, doesnt matter the info's here with little BS

Tekel

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And the same guy peacefully talking to Pierce Morgan

samnavy

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^Florida? Dude, you've got nothing to worry about living in Florida. With regards to state laws, outside of New England, the only people who have to worry are Illinois and possibly California.

At the Federal level, it's another story. It'll be interesting to see what Obama does in the next few days. I think he's seeing the writing on the wall that he's not going to get another AWB or mag-limits through congress, leaving him with and EO as his only option. As others have stated however, how much is that going to cost him in overall political capital.

Then there's the Supreme Court to consider... US vs. Miller might come into play, and the President could step on his own dick by enacting a Federal AWB, which may force SCOTUS to tell him to **** off with it. There's already talk that the extreme limitations of the new New York laws are unconstitutional based on Miller.

The fight over this whole thing is far from done. There is a very real contest over "separation of powers" that may need to be fought. If the President gets his way with an EO, I get a bad feeling about where he will go next. SCOTUS has made landmark decisions in the past 5 years upholding the 2nd Amendment and been very specific about what it means, what the original and current intentions are, and who it applies to. They are not going to like the President using an EO to get his way. In any case, it takes us into dark territory.

old school

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Apparently Obama is on TV currently speaking saying he wants to take away all over gun rights. A surround himself with Sandy Hook parents from combine and all kinds of other crazy places were someone is dying for criminals. God knows no criminal would be willing to break the law and carry or use a gun.
Just yesterday i just about had to shoot some f ing meth head threatening me while trespassing. A GUN in there face is the only thing they understand. **** off and don't come back!
The gun laws are sure working for Mexico. They cant have guns and now more gun deaths happen there then almost anywhere.
Our president is getting ready to set himself up better before another civil war breaks out.

neocataboi

Totally Wrong on the Mexicans not having guns. They are totally allowed to own them, the catch is that they are not allowed outside of the home, you can't even have them in your yard. You cant carry ammo in public, so good luck buying some. They all have to be registered and they may not transfer over to anyone, including direct family. -_-. But i can see why people might think that there is an all out ban. Gun Laws are also managed by local government, down to the Municipal Level, meaning that if the new mayor decides no one is allowed to own a gun, they will go though that registry and actively disarm anyone they want, federal law gives this power to municipalities. (although Federal Law says anyone is allowed to own a gun)

That video that was posted brings up a good question, if something is made law, but is obviously unconstitutional, are you supposed to follow it, or ignore it?

mgeoffriau

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Not to mention, there's all of one legal gun store in the whole frickin' country.

elesjuan

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I think the NRA should host a march on Washington. Million man nothing...



Speaking of NRA... Have just done something I once said I'd never do. Joined the NRA. Lifetime member.

mgeoffriau

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Just picked up my AR lower from Core15. Looks good. How much should I list my PlumCrazy lower for?

Tekel

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Guys who had the pmags they snagged before the rush... They are selling for almost $100/each on gunbroker! If I had any I would be cashing in.

fooger03

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I picked up 10 windowed g2 pmags on cabelas today for $20/each