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Old 08-23-2011, 01:10 AM   #341
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Old 08-23-2011, 03:09 AM   #342
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Uhh???


I buy the Winchester 36 grain plated hollow points from Cabelas. That's the most reliable cycling .22lr round I've found for the price, I buy them in bricks of 525rds for typically $14.00 or sometimes less. The brick I shot off today was on major sale (might've even been marked wrong) and paid $9.99 for it. The point is to load up my magazine and shoot the **** out of my rifles all day long and not blow my wallet away. Accuracy? Did it hit the steel plate I was shooting at? Yahtzee! Fact of the matter is, I'm shooting .22LR slugs from ~.224" bore which isn't going to be the most accurate thing in the world.

If I want match grade ammo I'll load my own .223. For the record though, the 300 meter shots were some Herter's Rooski .223 not quality made or hand loaded, certainly not .22lr. Yes I tried .22lr at 300 meter.. Managed to make some dust somewhere close to the steel plates I was firing at...
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You bastard! You got my hopes up for good $14.00 ammo and the website says it is $21.99 (before taxes and shipping). Damn!

FWIW, I have five weapons in .22LR but I primarily shoot two of them. My Ruger 10/22 LOVES the cheap *** Thunderbolt ammo but my Walther P22 hates it. My P22 loves Remington bulk ammo but the rifle doesn't. I've had different results with different batches of ammo to so I just buy a lot of several different kinds and try them all.
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In case someone had never been to the site - You can visit gun-deals.com and find good deals on ammo. For .22LR there are 150 deals currently listed. Sort by cost per round (CPR) and you will find what you are looking for. Right now Federal Champion .22LR is 3.8 cents per round. I've used this stuff quite a bit and generally make it through a few hundred rounds without having any problems on my pawnshop 10/22.
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You bastard! You got my hopes up for good $14.00 ammo and the website says it is $21.99 (before taxes and shipping). Damn!

FWIW, I have five weapons in .22LR but I primarily shoot two of them. My Ruger 10/22 LOVES the cheap *** Thunderbolt ammo but my Walther P22 hates it. My P22 loves Remington bulk ammo but the rifle doesn't. I've had different results with different batches of ammo to so I just buy a lot of several different kinds and try them all.
your P22, try remington gold. I had a walther P22 once, it seems to be very touchy to the ammo you put through it. I have had the best success with the remington gold over the CCI I usually buy in 100 packs.
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I'll try some remmy gold when I order my next ammo. Thanks...


Anyone know anything about this $400 AK:



http://centerfiresystems.com/AKAGUN-AMD-2.aspx



AK AMD 65 Rifle 7.62X39
Chrome-Lined Bore
Built on FEG Receiver
Side folding stock.
Legal length barrel (16 1/4") with permanently attached 2" AMD Muzzle Brake. Collapsed length 25 1/2 inches
No bayonet lug.
Cleaning rod and kit included.
Includes (1) 20rd mag.
Black finish on metal.
No side rail bracket on receiver.
Accepts high-cap AK mags.
7.62x39 caliber.
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Old 08-23-2011, 06:22 AM   #347
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looks cheap... you get what you paid for?
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looks cheap... you get what you paid for?
Same gun. Looks expensive now <G>.

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holy ****. Maybe its a good start?
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Old 08-23-2011, 07:40 AM   #350
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AMD's are Hungarian and said to be pretty quality rifles.

Problems I see with the rifle you linked:

Stock looks like a cheese dick POS
Permanently attached muzzle brake means no suppressor
Flat out UGLY.. Sorry, just my opinion. Maybe without the stupid vertical forward it wouldn't be too bad..

I am not an expert on AKs. Never claimed to be. Just want to give some food for thought:

YOU can buy a "flat" unstamped "receiver" for $20.00.
http://ak-builder.com/index.php?disp...oduct_id=29823

After they're bent into shape the price starts about $100.00 because then it's a "gun." I mention this because you seem like a do-it-yourselfer. Youtube it, there are some pretty effing retarded people who seem to accomplish it.

"Parts rifles" I've seen sell for low as $150.00. BATF does not allow the importation of "Assault weapons" anymore. The receivers are to be destroyed in a manor which could not be repaired. Honestly, considering many of them are "full auto" to begin with.. Well, you get the idea. Sadly in recent years the ****'s at BATF decided "demilling" the receiver wasn't good enough for importation, now the barrel has to be destroyed. This causes parts kits with good barrels harder to find, sometimes more expensive. New US barrels can be had for little as $99.00.

In theory, IF you were lucky.. Its possible to build a complete AK for less than $200.00.. The price will increase on that if you'd like to remain out of jail, so ordering 922r compliant parts is probably a good idea.

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Paragraph (C) defines the following parts as "countable" under the law:
(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings *
(2) Barrels *
(3) Barrel extensions
(4) Mounting blocks (trunions) *
(5) Muzzle attachments *
(6) Bolts *
(7) Bolt carriers *
(8) Operating rods
(9) Gas pistons *
(10) Trigger housings
(11) Triggers *
(12) Hammers *
(13) Sears
(14) Disconnectors *
(15) Buttstocks *
(16) Pistol grips *
(17) Forearms, handguards *
(18) Magazine bodies *
(19) Followers *
(20) Floorplates *

These 20 items are referred to with the term "compliance parts". There are lots of other components that go into a weapon, but there are the only ones that count in terms of complying with the law.

The 16 items marked with an asterisk are the parts that are generally found on a standard AK 47. The Saiga sporter rifle, as imported, does not have a muzzle device or pistol grip, so it has 14 countable parts. A Saiga shotgun has 13 countable parts (the trunnion is considered part of the receiver) - 14 if the barrel is threaded.
After you read the above quotation it should have occurred there is yet ANOTHER option to acquire an AK. Saiga "sporter" rifles are imported and exempt from 922r compliance because they're not "assault weapons" as per the BATF *****. No pistol grip, no "high capacity magazine," etc. These rifles can be had for $3 - $400.00 now days- 6 years ago they were 189 effing dollars. Go Liberals! Perfectly legal to buy a Saiga Sporter to convert into an "assault weapon" long as you stay 922r compliant.


Or, you could buy an Arsenal. http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct961.aspx
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Old 08-23-2011, 07:16 PM   #351
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You bastard! You got my hopes up for good $14.00 ammo and the website says it is $21.99 (before taxes and shipping). Damn!
Forgot to mention lastnight.

Thing I don't like about Cabelas is their ammo prices are worse than the U.S. Dollar in value fluctuation. Typically make 2 trips a week there and the next time they've got bulk .22lr on the cheap I'll buy extra for you.

Bet I could fit a LOT of .22lr in a USPS Flat rate shipper..
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I mention this because you seem like a do-it-yourselfer.
Who me?

I just finished this generator / car muffler project about 30 minutes ago.

http://www.lightweightmiata.com/projects/generator/

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Forgot to mention lastnight.

Thing I don't like about Cabelas is their ammo prices are worse than the U.S. Dollar in value fluctuation. Typically make 2 trips a week there and the next time they've got bulk .22lr on the cheap I'll buy extra for you.

Bet I could fit a LOT of .22lr in a USPS Flat rate shipper..
LMK when they have good ****. I like good ****.
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Who me?

I just finished this generator / car muffler project about 30 minutes ago.

http://www.lightweightmiata.com/projects/generator/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5V_MU2SxQA
I've always wondered why small engine manufactures can't put real ******* mufflers on engines. Honestly I'm a little disappointed in the amount of noise still present from the machine not coming from the exhaust pipe. Now you just need to add a turbo.

Yeah, you.. I vaguely remember several of your obscure DIY projects over the years..


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LMK when they have good ****. I like good ****.
Will do.

Just got another flier in the mail today from them. Last week's bargain I saw was a Savage 350 Defender pump 12 gauge, 18.5" bbl, ghost ring sights. $219.00.

Today's ad shows an H&R Pump "870 clone" 28 inch bbl 12 gauge for $169. Seems most places around here sell those for almost identical prices to 870s. Have read several positive reviews on it, not sure I'd buy one. Liked the Savage better, myself.

Ammo deal of the advert is Sellier and Bellot 115gr FMJ for $9.99 per box of 50. They ran that same sale about 3 weeks ago and stupidly only bought 3 boxes. Glad to see it again, I'll be buying 5 or 6 tomorrow.

Also shows they're selling the Bull Barrel Mark III 22/45 for $309, comes with 3 10 round magazines and a "ruger rug" (LOL!). Funny enough this item is a "sale" price, yet you can go into Bass Pro and buy the same thing for $279.99 as of last week, regular price.

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Damn, almost for this gem:

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Gamor...h-All+Products

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your P22, try remington gold. I had a walther P22 once, it seems to be very touchy to the ammo you put through it. I have had the best success with the remington gold over the CCI I usually buy in 100 packs.
The P22 has some serious quality and design issues when they were first released. The later production guns have been A LOT better.

Ever see the Walther P22 bible? Download it. The mods are damn near REQUIRED on the older guns.

http://www.freespeech.com/1917-1911M_P22_bible.pdf
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The P22 has some serious quality and design issues when they were first released. The later production guns have been A LOT better.

Ever see the Walther P22 bible? Download it. The mods are damn near REQUIRED on the older guns.

http://www.freespeech.com/1917-1911M_P22_bible.pdf
I've got one of the newer guns (2009?) but I took it apart the day I bought it to do the bible mods. I found it very interesting that the gun already had some gouging in it from the test fire they did at the factory. Anyway, the gun has been completely gone through and polished. Can't get any better than what it is now (which is pretty good).
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Admittedly, I like the Sons of Guns show. The content might be poorly scripted, the acting might be terrible, the daughter is really ******* annoying, and the Kris guy is like a bull in a china shop.. What I believe the intention of the show appears to be working, they've got like 12 million fans. I feel it might give a more positive impression to the general ignorant public about firearms, which I appreciate.

But...


http://www.redjacketfirearms.com/ind...emart&Itemid=6

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The Shootrite Katana
Barrel: 16-inch thin profile, with standard A2 diameter for sight base.
by E.R. Shaw
Flash Suppressor: Standard A2
Upper Receiver: Les Baer, Flattop w/o forward assist.
Daniel Defense, MPI bolt.
Modifications to bolt assembly:
Chrome silicon extractor and ejector springs.
Original solid firing pin retaining pin.
Bevel edge of ejector for feeding reliability.
Charging Handle: Bravo Company Gunfighter
Ejection Port Cover: Mil-Spec.
Gas Tube and Pin: Mil-Spec.
Handguard: Hiperform, Carbon Fiber one-piece unit.
Refinished in satin black, with sling mount and light rail.
Front Sight: Mil-Spec A2, with spring and detent.
Light Rail: 2 Picitiny Rail Mounted to handguard at 11:00 for right hand shooter.
(Rail bolted with washers and thin nylock nuts and epoxied to handguard.)
Front Sling Mount: Attached to handguard @ 6:00 position.
(Bolted and expoxied as light rail.)
Rear Sight: Daniel Defense, A1.5.
Katana Parts List Lower
Lower: Daniel Defense Mil Spec.
(Logo engraved, manufacturer name, and Katana serial number to match upper.)
Internal Parts: Mil-Spec internals
Stock (Standard): Fulton Armory, A1 stock, with sling mount attached to left side, for right-handed shooter. (Bolted and epoxied as light rail.)
(Requires filling in hole from original sling mount, and painting flat black.)
Stock (Optional):Magpul CTR, commercial dia. retractable 6 position stock
Grip: DuckBill Tactical Grip.

$1849.95
Almost $2000 for this rifle? Are you ******* serious??

Had a really slow day and decided to spend 20 minutes cruising manufacturers websites for parts of this rifle and this is what I came up with. Aside some very minor parts (delta pack and other small parts) this is a duplicate of the rifle shown for sale by the shop:

Daniel Defense 16" BBL, A2 front sight and gas tube $355
Les Baer Flattop w/out forward assist $112.00
Daniel Defense complete bolt carrier Group $169
Bravo Company charging handle $44.95
Bushmaster Mil Spec ejection port cover, latch, rod, spring, and cclip $12.95
Hiperform Carbon Fiber handguard $110
Daniel Defense rear sight $70.00
Troy Industries BattleRail 2" $15.00
Daniel Defense complete lower receiver w/magpul MOE buttstock $485.00

$1353.90 is the total I came up with, and thats buying **** at "retail" prices right from the manufactures.


The group of parts I came up with would involve installing ejection port cover, the barrel on the upper receiver, checking headspace, installing hand guard, attach the light rail and sling stud to the hand guard, install rear sight, stroke your **** with the bolt carrier group, place in rifle with charging handle, place upper receiver assembly on the lower receiver assembly (which is already 100% ready to rock out of the box.. no assy required) insert magazine and let it rip.

They're charging $550.00 for that? I'm in the wrong ******* business...
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Yes, you are in the wrong business.

I used to know a guy who built acoustic guitars. His clients were people like Eddie Van Halen, etc. He could charge anything he wanted for them and when Eddie would call up to order one he would say "kind of busy right now, it will be 6 months or so" and Eddie would give him a check for $5K and tell him to take his time. Selling things that rich people wait in line for is a good thing....
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