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Old 10-24-2014, 12:26 PM   #4601
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I read in an issue of Handgunner the other day that Norway has the highest percentage of firearms ownership in the EU... 32% of homes have a gun. That's pretty awesome.

Can you talk about some laws? Magazine capacity? Semi-auto rifles? Caliber restrictions? Use? Self-defense? Home defense?
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Sam,

I think I've told you this before, but I'm going to say it again. I really appreciate your 100% common sense approach to life. Your arguments are sound, but not dogmatic. They're logical, well written and concise.

Thanks for posting here.
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^Thanks man. I've got 15 years in the Navy, and almost all of that time had people working for me who would take everything I said very literally, and then execute whatever the plan was so they achieved the precise goal I laid out.

I've spent the last year working directly for and with Marines... if you're not very specific about who you want killed, or what you want blown up, they will just destroy everything. I've learned to eliminate "grey area" from my day-to-day conversations.

I'm gonna see my kids for the first time in 6 months next week... better get my sense of humor back!
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Old 10-24-2014, 02:07 PM   #4604
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I read in an issue of Handgunner the other day that Norway has the highest percentage of firearms ownership in the EU... 32% of homes have a gun. That's pretty awesome.

Can you talk about some laws? Magazine capacity? Semi-auto rifles? Caliber restrictions? Use? Self-defense? Home defense?
There are pretty strict laws to gun-ownership here compared to the US. Guns must have a purpose other than self defence so hunting or competetive shooting. That doesn`t really say that one can`t use a gun to defend your home, but one cannot carry a loaded firearm in public.

Although the majority of guns are hunting rifles and shotguns there are actually few limits to what you can buy.

No magazine capacity limit. (other then when actually hunting)

There is a "famous" list of approved semi auto rifles and shotguns available for purchase for hunting and one for sporting (IPSC)
Can buy AR15 for competition, but not legal to hunt with...

Must be a gun club member to purchase pistols and rifles for recreation or competition. Recreation has a 4 gun limit, competition is basically unlimited, but you must have a certain amount of competitive activity.

Hunting has a 6 rifle "limit", then applications for more.
Cannot hunt with pistols.

Caliber restrictions are no .50 BMG or .50AE\ .500S&W, everything else goes.

Basically sane laws when you take into account that we have no 2.amendment and very low violent crime rate.

We do also have some strange laws stating that hunting rifles cannot have a "military character" and no pistol grips on shotguns or semi-auto hunting rifles...

Btw, myself is x second luitenant of the Royal Norwegian Navy, found it more family friendly to work in the oil industry...
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That is remarkably sane. I'll assume that each gun must be registered... serial numbers on file and such? What do you need to do when you want to sell one of your guns? Can you sell to a neighbor and rely on him to register it, or do you need to perform the sale through an actual dealer? Is there any "qualification"... ie, can a person with a criminal record purchase a gun?
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There was another school shooting today, so lets all forward to people calling for more regulation.
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jesus, that's rough. What are the ammo prices like where you live?
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There was another school shooting today, so lets all forward to people calling for more regulation.
I just saw that too, but nooooo, can't be the social mental structure at all, its the gun that did it.
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That is remarkably sane. I'll assume that each gun must be registered... serial numbers on file and such? What do you need to do when you want to sell one of your guns? Can you sell to a neighbor and rely on him to register it, or do you need to perform the sale through an actual dealer? Is there any "qualification"... ie, can a person with a criminal record purchase a gun?
All guns after 1899 are registered and I can sell directly to anyone with a permit. You do need a somewhat specific permit, like "semi auto pistol, 9mm" or "revolver .357 magnum" and it will be in my interest to make sure the authorities gets the name of the new owner.

Criminals has at least a 5 year quarantine on purchase, depending on the crime. Many will never be given a permit.

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jesus, that's rough. What are the ammo prices like where you live?
I bought 1k quality 9mm last week and paid about $270.

Also, all weapons are to be kept in a gun safe when not in use.
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The xesse is seriously fun to shoot.
Its one of my favorite handguns ever. Its just so ridiculously smooth its crazy. People think they have a great {insert handgun here} so I let them shoot the xesse and they cry.

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Try Larrys guns for magazines;
1234000 - Larry's Guns Inc.
Brilliant! I'll take a look on there and see what else I can find. Kudos!
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Picked up two new toys on Friday. CZ 455 .22 and CAI VZ2008 (VZ58 clone). Did a trigger job and put a Vortex Diamondback 2-7 on the CZ. Seems like a very high quality .22 thus far and they have a great reputation for accuracy.
What are your impressions of the vz2008 (other than the fire control being backwards)? I've been very interested in one for a while now, but haven't been able to handle one in person.
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I contacted bcm and the advice given was for quality mil spec ammo (read hotter). No mention of match ammo etc. Researching the problem, I find that is their generic response. It would seem the hotter ammo would correct function failures and not necessarily accuracy?
Mil-spec ammo is 62 grains. Some awesome units use 77. 1-7 might actually be a little fast for some 55 grain ammo. I suspect you might be shedding the jacket on some rounds.
Try some 62 grain rounds and switch optics to rule that out. I would be surprised if you got a lemon from bcm.
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I discovered 45gr hollowpoints don't like 1:7
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What? What was the bullet weight? The fastest 45 barrel I've seen is 1-10. I actually like the concept of heavy for caliber bullets through high twist-rate barrels.
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What are your impressions of the vz2008 (other than the fire control being backwards)? I've been very interested in one for a while now, but haven't been able to handle one in person.
I haven't been able to shoot it yet, hopefully this weekend, but I'm actually impressed. The fit and finish is good, everything is tight, and I didn't notice any excessive wear when I stripped it down to clean. There are some milling marks on the receiver, but the finish otherwise is quite good. As far as the gun itself goes, it's definitely lighter than I expected and it feels quite handy. I wrapped paracord around the folding stock which allows for a little better cheek weld. The only negative I ran across before I bought it, other than general concerns about Century, is someone that mic'ed the barrel at .308 rather than the .309 typical of a true 7.62x39 barrel. I haven't checked myself, and it's safe even if it is true, but it could result in accelerated barrel wear.

On a tangential topic, I treated this one with Frog Lube because I've read so many good things. Has anyone else ever tried it? It seems like most think that it's either snake oil or the greatest thing since smokeless powder.
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What? What was the bullet weight? The fastest 45 barrel I've seen is 1-10. I actually like the concept of heavy for caliber bullets through high twist-rate barrels.
45gr as in grain not 45ACP. I discovered early on that 45 grain .223 jacketed hollow points do not like 1:7 twist barrels. On the other side of that same coin, 68gr matchkings don't appreciate 1:10 as much as I hoped they would.
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Frog lube is good. I haven't heard any negatives about it. I prefer Slip2000 personally. I used to carry a spray can of it and hose down the chamber of my 240 when I reloaded.
It kept it running well, and it made cleaning much easier.

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45gr as in grain not 45ACP. I discovered early on that 45 grain .223 jacketed hollow points do not like 1:7 twist barrels. On the other side of that same coin, 68gr matchkings don't appreciate 1:10 as much as I hoped they would.
I see. That makes much more sense now. Fortunately, 1-10 barrels are becoming a thing of the past. I personally think 1-8 barrels are ideal for a wide range of bullet weights.
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Yep! Back when I used to shoot ground squirrels 1-10 (and 1-12?) was pretty standard fare for bolt action .223 rifles on the market. The Winchester white box 45gr HPs that WalMart used to sell by the box of 50 were very economical compared to the then new Nosler Ballistic Tips that had recently hit the market. With the volume I was shooting at the time, it was either hand loads or white box. All my friends eventually moved to the .22-250 but I stuck with .223 because I couldn't stomach what they were paying for ammo.

I wish I had pics of my squirrel gun. It was a heavy barrel Remington 700 with a Timney trigger, detachable AR mag conversion, Leupold Mark 4 optic and some massive steel single piece scope base. I cut up a factory laminate stock to free float the barrel and fit the magwell and it came out beautiful. I'll have to ask the guys I used to shoot with too see if any of them have pics.
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Definitely doing a 6.8spc upper. I need a barrel and bolt, otherwise have everything... and actually have a line on the exact barrel I want. I've also got a couple buyers lined up for my R700, and selling it will be the green-light on whatever scope I decide on... still all over the place.

I just bought some bullets... 90gr GoldDots that are good on medium-sized white-tail. Also looking at some in the 110-130gr range to get started. I need some brass too, but that's not hard to come by recently.

I'm telling you guys that shoot a lot, ammo prices are low, but reloading components are fully stocked everywhere and the bottom has dropped out of the bullet industry. I've never seen stuff so cheap. Plus the fact that ammo manufacturers have been working around the clock for the past 2 years means that there are a ton of deals on pulled and seconds ammo components.
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