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Old 06-19-2015, 09:44 PM   #4981
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We have this one.

GunVault SpeedVault Digital Handgun Safe FREE S&H GunVault SV500

We're under no impression that it will keep anyone determined out. But ours or visiting kids will not have access. Quick access for the wife and I. We change out the battery every 6 months when we do the smoke detectors. We check it every couple of days and it opens quickly and easily.

When we first started collecting guns. We read everything we could on children and gun safety. What we decided on echoes what Sam said. They know the 4 basic rules of gun safety, are forced to help me clean them after shooting (this works especially well to make guns not a fun novelty). Occasionally we'll shoot a frozen milk jug or something else that explodes and make it a teaching point on how that could be a family member or friend if guns aren't treated respectfully. We also highlight the importance of running away and telling an adult if they see another kid with a gun. So far it's working well, at 7 and 10 they enjoy going shooting with us but could careless about them otherwise.

Something for the wife. Make sure she gets plenty of gun time. Hopefully classes. Our home is situated where the boys rooms are opposite side of the house from ours. We've spent quite some time discussing/reminding the wife to remember what's behind the target and how to position herself between the boys and an intruder.
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Old 06-19-2015, 11:38 PM   #4982
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I bought this, and love it


There's no keyhole, so no one will search for keys. (And if they find a hidden key, they won't know it's a key) It's got a battery back-up, so no worry about power outages. Most importantly, it doesn't look like a common gun safe.

I think there are 3 different product levels, from basic to advanced.
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Old 07-07-2015, 12:45 PM   #4983
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I finally got some better bullets for .223 reloading (Hornady 55 grain pulls from RMR) but accuracy has not improved. I've loaded everything from 21.3 to 25.3 grains of H335 and I cannot get below 1.25" groups. I don't know if it is me, or the reloading, or the rifle, or what but I am not getting the groups I thought I would. It seems like I cannot get any consistency at all.
Went to the range for the first time in 2 months. It was the first time I have been able to shoot the AR over 100 yards (went to my friends private shooting club). I only got to shoot two sets of five rounds due to time constraints (we were shooting 22's that day) but I was pleased. Taking out the 3" flyer I had a 3/4" grouping on each set. Good enough for me...


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Old 07-07-2015, 01:49 PM   #4984
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This is your Colt, right? I'd call that "on target". I haven't been shooting in a few months either, damned life gets in the way. I've got a few hundred handloads ready for testing too.

Also, got the BCG (sweet Nitride coated) for my AR10... that gun is complete minus optics. I have a few scopes I could put on it, but none fit the bill... really want to finally buy an SWFA Super-Sniper. I think the 12x would be perfect for .308 semi-auto hunting gun.

6.8SPC with ARP barrel/bcg on top wearing Bushnell AR Optics 4.5-18x. Scope was a stupid deal a few months ago during PSA blowout (I think I paid $90)... works great at hunting distances. The ALG trigger is **** for the price too... also have JP low-power springs. When I put my 5.56 upper on that lower, it misfires about every 50rds on steel and factory 5.56 ammo... just doesn't strike the primer hard enough. With handloads, all is good. White stripe indicates 6.8-specific mag.

Bottom is .308 AR10, AeroPrecision upper/lower, DPMS barrel, AIM nitride BCG ALG trigger... the EFX stock is so sweet on my big fat face. Still unfired, but I suspect will be a laser.
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Old 07-07-2015, 01:54 PM   #4985
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This is your Colt, right? I'd call that "on target". I haven't been shooting in a few months either, damned life gets in the way. I've got a few hundred handloads ready for testing too.
Yep, the Colt. I think I could probably shoot someone in the eye with it at 200 yards (if they held really still) so I am happy. Your new rifles look nice! I still have that PSA lower that is looking for a new barrel. I saw PSA had a sale on 9mm uppers the other day but I did not pull the trigger.

Trying to find some Alliant 2400 powder for the Mosin cast bullet reloading project but I am striking out.
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I have a Super Sniper 16x on a 308 bolt gun. Great scope for the money, very repeatable, but the glass quality is low & the eye relief is small. At some point I'll sell it off for something better (mostly for the eye relief).
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Old 07-07-2015, 01:58 PM   #4987
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I've got a few hundred handloads ready for testing too.
I bought a cheap HF sonic cleaner a few months ago and have been decaping, then washing, then sonic, then tumbling in walnut for some really shiny cases. Not sure if they shoot any better but they sure are darn purty!

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I put some citric acid in the sonic cleaner for the shine...
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Old 07-07-2015, 11:42 PM   #4988
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I use a 15yr old Midway vibratory tumbler that probably has 1000hrs on it and is like new... ground walnut lizard bedding + a squirt of NuShine car wax... turn on until "pretty enough".
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Old 07-07-2015, 11:54 PM   #4989
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My friend/roommate just bought one of these Scionics Patrol Rifle II's:


Says he loves it. No idea if it was worth the cash or not. Then again, I want to blow money on a Noveske, so what the hell do I know.
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Old 07-08-2015, 08:43 AM   #4990
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My friend/roommate just bought one of these Scionics Patrol Rifle II's:
Website looks OK... there are hundreds of small-time assemblers like that. Decent parts list on those guns, but nothing special.
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Old 07-15-2015, 08:14 PM   #4991
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So... Got a little mad money...

Do I buy the M&P CORE 9L I've been lusting after, or the 15x9 6ULs for the NA....

Decisions, decisions....
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beware of braineack at 25ft.




first time shooting this Tanfoglio 10mm... and I haven't shot in about a year.
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You would own a 10mm
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He does not own a 10mm, was only out shooting it. Braineack is to cheap to purchase a gun and then buy ammo.
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Old 08-04-2015, 02:25 PM   #4995
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10mm auto might be the best all-around caliber ever that was doomed from the start. Punches like a .357mag from a semi-auto with decent capacity... awesome. But its power also meant that the guns had to be built heavier and there was a recoil tradeoff... no biggie for a dude, but girls no way. Plus it means you cant make a gun cheap enough for the average guy, making both the gun and ammo fairly exclusive, ie expensive.

As for its application today... meh. Bullet technology in the 80's when 10mm came out kinda mandated that the only way to improve performance was through velocity... today, its the actual engineering of ammunition. Theres a reason the FBI recently announced that its going back to 9mm.

Rifle calibers are a different story... every year there are a few more mainstream calibers to choose from. Recent industry concentrations have been on magnum rimfires, magnum short-action centerfires, and any caliber you can squeeze through a an AR15 lower receiver. The advantage to new rifle calibers is that usually you just need a barrel change to you current gun and manufacturers dont have to retool much... wildcatters have been doing that since guns were invented. New pistol calibers usually involve examining and re-engineering every component of a current model gun or designing one from scratch.

Me, I bought into 9mm for my primary handgun caliber years ago. 9mm+P self-defense loads won me over for power and capacity. Im a huge fan of 6.8spc for my upgraded AR15 ammo for up to deer-sized game... and #4buck in my home defense shotgun.
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I've had a Kimber 10mm, a Witness Hunter 10mm, a S&W 610, and now I just have a G20 gen 4. It's by far the most reliable of the bunch, but the 610 was the most accurate. My only complaint about the caliber is that as a reloader there aren't really any good soft point hunting loads like you can get for 357 / 44.
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So... Do I buy the M&P CORE 9L I've been lusting after, or the 15x9 6ULs for the NA....

Decisions, decisions....
Said **** it... got both.

The 9L is a nice, soft shooter. Hopefully I can get out to a match in a couple weeks and wring it out. Haven't shot competition seriously in almost 20 years... hope I can keep up!



And the 6ULs should be here Monday...
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... and #4buck in my home defense shotgun.
Your choices all seem pretty well thought out...why #4?
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#4 buck provides more pellets than 00, but the lighter shot is less likely to over penetrate through residential walls. Very effective for close ranges typical in home defense. Less effective outside of 10-15 yards than 00.
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#4 buck provides more pellets than 00, but the lighter shot is less likely to over penetrate through residential walls. Very effective for close ranges typical in home defense. Less effective outside of 10-15 yards than 00.
That has been what my interweb'ing has shown, although "less effective" is still within the realm of "dead" on a human body inside any foreseeable in-home scenario.

Read:
The Box O' Truth #3 - The Shotgun Meets the Box O' Truth - The Box O' Truth

Some real-world right there. I'm comfortable with the thought that #4buck may penetrate 3 walls if impacted at 90* angles (not likely) but probably won't have fatal energy past the second. OObuck will go through 2 walls in my house, and then 2 walls of my neighbors house... not cool with me.

The shotgun is only there for one scenario... the "bump I the night". If the intimidation from the chambering noise and my yelling does not have bad guys fleeing the house, then I know they're not just there to steal stuff. This gun has a mounted 300lm Streamlight and a bead iron sight... very easy to aim. I grab the shotgun and take a defensive position at the top of the stairs, while the wife retrieves her pistol and dials 911. My position from the stairs lets me see the back door and neither I or anybody shooting at me puts anybody else in the house in the line of fire. If I need more than 5 rounds, there are probably more than 5 bad guys and I get to make some quick decisions.

Hopefully bad guys flee, so then just I wait for the police to arrive and let them do their thing. I don't know how many times I've had conversations with people who assume they've going to charge downstairs half-naked and "surprise" the bad guys, or have dreams of swat-style clearing their own house... **** that. If you think there's somebody in your house, and you are between them and your family... STAY PUT! Yell and scream and call the cops... assume your preplanned position and be ready to act in self-defense.

All that being said... I live on base. A primary consideration was the inherent security of being inside the fence, but I'm not going to leave all aspects of my personal protection to the MP's, who are still 2-4 minutes away once they get the phone call. I'm even more vigilant now about security in the neighborhood due to the recent attacks. Yes, I keep all my guns secured as per policy, but they are quickly retrievable should they be needed.
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