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Old 11-10-2015, 12:24 AM   #5061
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Basically they said the chrono'ed bullets out to long range, thats what they're saying when they used doppler (which is not an incorrect statement, just unnecessarily sciency). And they noticed graphing the speed that it didnt match the predicted case so they figured the cd was changing and that the plastic tip thing must be the case. Taking zoomed in enough so that you can see it images of something moving at super sonic speeds over a distance of hundreds of meters is something I'm not sure a multimillion dollar equipment investment could handle. Is that plastic tip thing really like a thing on stuff bigger than 22 anyways? Only ammo I've ever gotten with it is for my 22mag PMR30 and thats just because thats whats cheapest normally.
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Just bought AlienGear IWB and OWB holsters off of the opinion of one person. Hopefully they didn't steer me wrong!

EDIT: I did check his out, but I didn't try it on as I wasn't wearing a belt at the time. Quality seemed good though, and it has a lifetime warranty. And if I change guns you can swap out the kydex for free
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Old 11-10-2015, 09:12 AM   #5063
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I love my alien gear gen III holster.
It makes my 1911 more comfortable to carry than my LC9 in a bianchi.
I wear it with my Crossbreed Velcro lined instructors belt.
I also put Crossbreed's Velcro hooks on all my holsters.
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Anyone interested in a Ruger SP101 with the Gemini Customs treatment? .38/.357
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I love my alien gear gen III holster.
It makes my 1911 more comfortable to carry than my LC9 in a bianchi.
I wear it with my Crossbreed Velcro lined instructors belt.
I also put Crossbreed's Velcro hooks on all my holsters.
If you don't have a good gun belt, buy one.
Is the main difference just thickness and rigidity?
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Old 11-10-2015, 11:27 AM   #5066
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I discovered that CCI Standard Velocity shoots dimes at 50yds.

That is the only .22lr I shoot. I have found nothing even comes close (in that price range). Now, if I can ever find some at a good price I will buy some (in the 50k round range). Sold all my CCI SV for $100 a brick some time ago.
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Old 11-10-2015, 11:37 AM   #5067
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Taking zoomed in enough so that you can see it images of something moving at super sonic speeds over a distance of hundreds of meters is something I'm not sure a multimillion dollar equipment investment could handle.
What? That technology has been around for a very long time... and there's no "investment"... you don't have to buy the camera, you hire the company to come out and film. A couple hours total with a few dozen shots of the various rubber/plastic tipped bullets currently on the market could put "melting tips" to rest forever. Guess what... not only did they not get anything on film, they basically guessed at what caused the fluctuation in their data... they have ZERO actual proof of melting tip... they basically say "we don't know what else it could be". There is zero science behind it... but they throw out the word "doppler" and that's supposed to WOWIFY people who have no idea what Doppler radars are.



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Is that plastic tip thing really like a thing on stuff bigger than 22 anyways? Only ammo I've ever gotten with it is for my 22mag PMR30 and thats just because thats whats cheapest normally.
Plastic/rubber tips are very popular on a lot of hunting ammo... everything from varmint up to gigantic monolithic big-game stuff. They are hollow-point rounds with tips placed in them, effectively making them a Spitzer bullet. There are even some brands where the tips screw in to the hollow point based on what you're shooting at.
1: Improve aerodynamics (BC), because pointy is better than hollow.
2: Initiate expansion upon impact.

Nosler, Sierra, Hornady, Barnes, Swift... pretty much everybody has a line of tipped bullets.





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Is the main difference just thickness and rigidity?
Did you just ask that?
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That is the only .22lr I shoot. I have found nothing even comes close (in that price range). Now, if I can ever find some at a good price I will buy some (in the 50k round range). Sold all my CCI SV for $100 a brick some time ago.
.22lr ammo is not very aerodynamic nor are the projectiles themselves very uniform for your average store-bought selections. I think average BC of a random sample of what you can find at Walmart is like .125.

Most "hi velocity" .22lr is still supersonic at 50yds and can keep decent groups... but all fall subsonic before 100yds and accuracy suffers greatly. I don't know of any .22lr ammo that is still supersonic past 100yds.

"Standard Velocity" is subsonic from the barrel and doesn't experience the same turbulent event which opens groups. All "match" .22lr is subsonic, and the CCI SV is universally recognized as excellent, and often outperforms the really good stuff. My gun loves it.
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Is the main difference just thickness and rigidity?
Yes, that is a big part of it.
A stiff belt makes all the difference in the world when carry IWB. I also find them more comfortable even when not carrying.
Some brands use a nylon insert for extra stiffness, but I prefer belts that are solid leather.
Crossbreed also happens to use some very high quality leather, and their belts are nice looking.
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Just got back from my annual "10 days in a wall tent". Here's a pic of my Weatherby 300 WSM with Swarovski glass. I hit the barrel with Caswell stainless blackener, and a few other choice mods. Always gets the job done, even with a tipped bullet.
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Just in case...



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Old 11-10-2015, 10:09 PM   #5073
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I guess the video, like you posted, without tracking would be fine. I didnt consider that.
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but they throw out the word "doppler" and that's supposed to WOWIFY people who have no idea what Doppler radars are.
A doppler radar is a conventional radar set equipped with a discriminator which tracks the relative velocity of a target, rather than just its static position. Police "radar guns" are a primitive implementation of this technology.


That said, I don't really give a **** about EE terminology. I've only been shot once, with a low-velocity, small-caliber round (.22 rimfire), and I don't wish to ever repeat the experience at a larger scale. I try to ensure this outcome by not deliberately instigating people with guns, be they police, military, or just random rednecks.

Extremely cool video, though. I love watching energetic reactions occur at hundreds of thousands of FPS.
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.22lr ammo is not very aerodynamic nor are the projectiles themselves very uniform for your average store-bought selections. I think average BC of a random sample of what you can find at Walmart is like .125.

Most "hi velocity" .22lr is still supersonic at 50yds and can keep decent groups... but all fall subsonic before 100yds and accuracy suffers greatly. I don't know of any .22lr ammo that is still supersonic past 100yds.

"Standard Velocity" is subsonic from the barrel and doesn't experience the same turbulent event which opens groups. All "match" .22lr is subsonic, and the CCI SV is universally recognized as excellent, and often outperforms the really good stuff. My gun loves it.
Thank you. I've been trying to explain this to people for years. CCI 40gr LRN Standard Velocity (0032) and CCI 40gr LHP SubSonic (0065) is almost all I ever shoot anymore. The 0065 is a particularly wonderful round for pest control and it shoots like a dream from my Winchester 9422.

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I've only been shot once, with a low-velocity, small-caliber round (.22 rimfire), and I don't wish to ever repeat the experience at a larger scale.
That sounds bad, I'm sorry you had that particular experience. I'm guessing there is a colorful Joe Perez story to go along with that one?
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I'm guessing there is a colorful Joe Perez story to go along with that one?
He's Hispanic. 'nuf said.


(sorry, Joe, I couldn't resist)
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He's Hispanic. 'nuf said.


(sorry, Joe, I couldn't resist)
I lol'd.

He's been in the most boring retirement part of Florida and not the Miami or Orlando parts. Maybe it happened in Puerto Rico when he was a youth.
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Picking this up Monday.

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