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Old 11-22-2015, 12:57 AM   #5141
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I bought 10 boxes of 9mm for $145 shipped from TargetSportsUSA. With the rebate it's $4.50 per box shipped. I got 5 boxes of 124gr and 5 boxes of 147gr. Now I can fill up all the magazines for all my pistols.
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If anyone sees a black Friday sale on a Hornady LnL AP progressive press please post it here. I'm ready to pull the trigger on this progressive press.
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Finished up my AR-15.



It's a Colt 6721 1:9 HBAR 16"
PSA Nickel Boron BCG
VTAC 13" Free Float FDE handguard
Magpull CTR FDE stock
Magpull MOE+ FDE Grip
Magpull FDE Magazine
Magpull FDE Trigger Guard
Magpull B.A.D. Lever
Burris P.E.P.R. Mount
Nikon P223 3-9x40 scope with BDC600
Aukmont 45* Offset Iron Sights (in mail)

Got it sighted in and some decent performance at 50 yards, going to take it out to 100 for final sight-in and then try with various ammo types and see what happens. My range goes to 200 yards but there are some within driving distance that go to 300,500,600,1000 that I'd like to have a go at. I know this isn't going to be a nail driver AR but I do have good expectations. It was hitting steel at 200 yards no problems.
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Very nice. I went to the gun show in Raleigh yesterday, looking for a "winter ccw". Didn't find what I wanted, but I did end up with an Anderson Forged AR15 lower, Black Rain Drop-in Trigger, and a Ranier Ergo grip for $200 total. Not too bad.

I think this one will get a long barrel.
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I've got a couple lowers that I need stock mil-spec parts for to complete as CHEAPLY as possible... safety selectors, mag releases, bolt release... if you upgrade all your parts and have a few of these regular LPK stock parts laying around you want to throw in a small flat rate box for me cheap, lemme know what you want for them. Basically looking for a couple of these: AR-Stoner Customizable Lower Receiver Parts Kit AR-15 only I know plenty of dudes have a bucket full of this shiz laying around they'll never use... lemme know.

Also, looking for same oem (milspec, not commercial) cheap buffer tubes/spring/buffer if you've got any of those.
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I'm just not sure about how bad I need that many factory self-defense rounds. I know that tons of people say you need to put XXX many rounds of your actual carry ammo through a gun before you can "trust" it... but why the **** would you buy a gun so lame it won't shoot modern ammo?

**** that shiz... Glock, M&P, XD, Ruger, etc... modern striker-fired pistols should eat any SD ammo. People get pissed when they run a mag of Tula steel through their tiny DAO carry gun and it fails twice a mag and they blame the gun... **** those **** and the limp-wristing that causes most failures on smaller carry guns.

A few years ago, I traded a dude something for some standard Remington 115gr JHP's... fired a few and called it good in my G19. Guess what, I've never fired one since... ******* $1 rd or whatever of SD ammo just to plink with? I know it will go bang. I've got enough to fill every mag I own and that's plenty. The only time I fire any actual SD rounds is when I have to head-shoot a deer one of my buddies gut-shot with his bow and is still alive when we find it.

Plus, if I really feel the need to have a few hundred or thousand self-defense rounds on hand, I'll buy some Gold Dot or HST pulls from RMR or American Reloading for pennies and use enough Red Dot or PowerPistol for 1200fps... because we all know Zombies hate reloads.

But ****, that is CHEAP!!! Too bad the wife will still throw a fit even when I say, "But I'm getting a $100 rebate!"
They say you should get that much time with your self defence ammo to get used to the aim point and how it recoils, that stuff. If it takes you 1 box to have your carry ammo become second nature then thats all you need. Personally I dont find the need for these crazy ammos at all, as long as the gun makes a loud noise and you hit the person you're going to turn out ok, PCP isnt very popular anymore.
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What do y'all this this package is worth?

Getting out of reloading, selling it all (Hornady LNL-AP, supplies for 45ACP, 9mm, and .223/5.56) For Sale Metro Atlanta | Reloading Supplies Classifieds in Georgia | The Outdoors Trader
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They say you should get that much time with your self defence ammo to get used to the aim point and how it recoils, that stuff. If it takes you 1 box to have your carry ammo become second nature then thats all you need.
That's some **** that internet commandos made up to sound cool like they know something you don't. If that were the case, then you'd need at least a box of ammo at the range every time you picked up a new gun just to "learn" the ammo and get the feeling of the old gun out of your hands so you could hit paper. It's all bullshit tacticool wannabe's saying that ****. I bought into stuff like that for awhile and then spent some time shooting with guys who actually know what they're doing.

If you can't double-tap a human torso with your gun using any ammo at 10yds, then your ammo isn't the problem. Point of aim for a 115gr FMJ @1200fps at 15ds is like .25" from a 147gr @1000fps. True, some ammo is snappier than others... but is your brain really going to remember the exact snap during an actual self-defense shooting a few months after the last time you practiced with it? ****, your average cop only has to qualify once or twice a year and look how many people they kill.

YOU SHOULD, however, break in a new gun with a few hundred rounds for the simple reason that it's a machine made by machines that aren't perfect. You want to make sure the thing was made properly and assembled correctly... not that it likes Gold Dots better than PDX1. It can't hurt to waste $30 to fire off 20rds of hi-dollar HP's if that gets you wet. Hence why I have a Glock... I know it will shoot anything and everything without needing to put 500rds through it so I "trust it".

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Personally I dont find the need for these crazy ammos at all, as long as the gun makes a loud noise and you hit the person you're going to turn out ok, PCP isnt very popular anymore.
Crazy ammos is one thing, but a modern self-defense bullet is another. Stick with a well recognized name brand and/or find out what your local PD issues. Speer Gold Dot, Federal HST, Remington Golden Saber, Winchester PDX1, etc...

Like I said, I carry standard Remington 115gr JHP's... might have been a box of 124gr's in there too, but all that shiz has been mixed up when I unload the good stuff out of my mags to go to the range with my 115gr FMJ reloads.

Here, go crazy:
https://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Se...ense_Ammo_FAQ/

This is from last month... brand new testing:
http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self...ts/#ballistics

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In a store, brand new, all at once... $1100-1200 just what's in the pictures. Buying sale prices online with free shipping over the course of a year during sales, piece by piece... maybe $1000. It looks like it's all there to get you started. LNL is a great press. I don't see any case-prep stuff... rifle brass HAS TO BE TRIMMED at some point. Also no lube, calipers, scale, funnel, puller, and a few other things... maybe he just didn't list them. It does say "and other tools", but I'd want an itemized list. If he has all those things, it's definitely a great deal at $700... if he has ONLY what's in the pictures, it's still a good deal.
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Lets back up to the farm gun talk.
I recently inherited 12 acres of the family farm and I have been spending a good amount of time out there lately. I occasionally see a coyote hanging around the edge of the woods. I keep a 12ga in the truck in case they come any closer. I also bring my .22lr for plinking. I am considering getting a better rifle and just start shooting them when I see them.
I have an AR15 lower that I am debating either buying a barreled upper, or trading it for something used. Been considering a bolt action .308 or 30-06.
Thoughts?
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Lets back up to the farm gun talk.
I recently inherited 12 acres of the family farm and I have been spending a good amount of time out there lately. I occasionally see a coyote hanging around the edge of the woods. I keep a 12ga in the truck in case they come any closer. I also bring my .22lr for plinking. I am considering getting a better rifle and just start shooting them when I see them.
I have an AR15 lower that I am debating either buying a barreled upper, or trading it for something used. Been considering a bolt action .308 or 30-06.
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Coyotes won't get close to people on purpose. They don't want to have anything to do with you and will run away when they realize you are there. Unless they are specifically harming your livestock it is advisable to leave them alone. They serve an important purpose in the ecosystem and are pretty neat animals. They control rats, mice, and rabbits in a way most other predators don't. The males and females mate for life and they will simply move on if the prey animal population drops. They won't mess with outside dogs unless they are very small breeds but they will tree an outdoor cat. Usually, a savvy cat can evade them by going vertical since coyotes don't climb trees. As with anything else, avoid leaving attractants like food garbage outside when living in rural areas or bears, coons, and coyotes, rats, and mice will come from a mile away. Use a sink garbage disposal for as much food as possible.

As for a long gun, a good 12ga. is good for everything from killing rattlesnakes to peppering/killing undesirable animals up near the house, depending upon the choke and the choice of shot. Bird shot is good for rattlesnakes without having to get too close to them. Buck shot is good for animals from the size of ...bucks... and down. Armadillos and opossums are easily handled with something in between bird and buck shot (no. 4 or numerically smaller preferred), depending upon the range, or you can use your 22lr. Wild dogs can be run off with just the noise or some light bird shot depending upon the distance. Buck shot carries a lot of power and should be used cautiously. Double ought (00) buck in 12ga. packs roughly 8 projectiles the size of a .38 Special all at once and can have a pretty damn good muzzle velocity and lots of power.

If you wanted to take deer or small bear or anything at a long distance (over 70 yards) I would place a vote for something mentioned here previously, a Savage bolt action and I would recommend it in .308 because of the availability of plinking ammo as well as high-level rounds. But you should be aware that the rounds will travel far in excess of your 22 acres.
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The land just got split last year. The whole farm is close to 400 acres that only 1 of my cousins has decided to live on. There are 5 other farms around us, and heavily wooded areas between them. The threat of overshooting and hitting a person is very low.

Since my grandmother passed away the coyotes have gotten brave and are hanging around the barns. The rabbit population is almost wiped out. We have had rabid raccoon and fox in the past. I would treat any wild animal coming toward the house as a threat. From the back porch to the edge of the woods is about 125 yards. The fields adjacent to my plot measure about 375 yards by 200 yards. (rough measurements from road/barns to woods using google maps)

My 2 year old loves to play out there, same as I did when I was growing up. There were no coyotes when I was younger. Just an occasional fox or bobcat. The coyote I have seen at the edge of the woods do not run from noise or people.

I guess I am just in over-protective-father mode. I feel like any potential threat must be eliminated. Assuming I should not shoot every coyote, fox, bobcat I see; there is no need for me to buy a higher powered rifle.
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Killing carnivores will increase the quantity of herbivores, something that should be considered if this is a cropland farm.

On the flipside, any predator which is not afraid of people should be eliminated immediately.
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NC Fish and Game... Coyote page:
Coyote

I agree with everything SixShooter and Fooger said... especially what Fooger said. Coyotes are great for nature, but "can" be a problem for people... and there's a big difference between city coyotes and rural coyotes. The entirety of San Diego county where I grew up has coyotes. They even caught one when I was in High School on Coronado Island that had cruised up the entire Silver Strand from Imperial Beach and was trapped in some ladies backyard off Orange Ave. Their new natural environments are the small canyons and spotty wooded areas in between subdivisions. Houses, yards, cars, noise... not afraid. Yes, they will avoid people, but not many people around at night. Rural coyotes are like SixShooter said, but if he's actively seeking something on your property for a meal, I have no issues with shooting them. They are prolific breeders and will adapt to any environment. They have no natural predators except opportunistic cougars and humans.

If you already have an AR15 lower receiver and want to step up to something that is VERY flexible... 6.8spc is the answer. For all arguments sake, it has the performance of .243 Wincehster. Black Friday is your friend. ARP Performance has their 20" target crown barrels on sale for $189... if you buy there, get their BCG as it comes with their SuperBolt, which is the best on the market. PSA also has blem slickside uppers for $40... great for hunting upper. It'll be about $500 or a bit less for the whole upper, which has money for a nice rail (ALG Defense has 20% off sale for Black Friday, their EMR V0 13" will be $120shipped) factored in. That's a pinch of coin, but you have a crazy accurate upper that's enough power for anything living in NC, including black bear. My ARP gun shoots 1/2" groups with 120gr Hornady SST's... took 7 deer (long shot was 320yds) on a recent hunting trip with it... freaking laser.

Or... for WELL UNDER $500 (more like $400) you can buy a Ruger American, Remington 783, Mossberg Patriot, Marlin XS7, Savage Axis... or whatever entry-level bolt gun AND have enough for a decent 3-9x40 scope... Nikon Prostaff, Bushnell Banner, Weaver... heck, I keep seeing the 4-12x Buckmasters for $150.

Prices for guns are dirt cheap right now. Don't forget that Savage still has that rebate... you can find Axis in all calibers for like $250... AND THEN get the rebate $50... basic bolt action for $200. Throw a refurbished Prostaff 3-9x40 for $100 (from Natchez) and some Weaver medium rings on it, plus a couple boxes of ammo... and go hunting for $350! Nothing wrong with 100gr bullets from a .243 for deer out to 300yds and have a box of 70gr laying around for ultimate triple varmint/critter/yote caliber.
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NC Wildlife page confirmed what my neighbor told me. Open season year round, day or night, no bag limit. He has horses and cattle. When they are on his land they get shot.

So back to the AR upper. I thought I was only able to use .223, 5.56, or .300 blackout with my lower. What do I need to swap on the lower to use 6.8?
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NC Wildlife page confirmed what my neighbor told me. Open season year round, day or night, no bag limit. He has horses and cattle. When they are on his land they get shot.

So back to the AR upper. I thought I was only able to use .223, 5.56, or .300 blackout with my lower. What do I need to swap on the lower to use 6.8?
You don't need to do anything to the lower... the biggest slice of awesome for the platform is that the lower is fully universal. There are really only 2 "parts" to an AR15 that may need to be changed in order to swap calibers, both on the upper.

The barrel is the obvious first part. New barrels can be installed in about 10 minutes with a vice and proper wrench.

The other part is the bolt. The bolt sits inside the bolt carrier. The bolt is the part that actually hold onto the base of the round and locks it into the chamber... it also houses the firing pin and extractor. Unless we're talking about a 9mm, .22lr or some other fancy niche caliber like a .17HMR upper or .204 Ruger upper, the BOLT CARRIER is the same, and the bolt only needs to be swapped out based on the parent cartridge.

Lots of different calibers use .223/5.56 brass that has been necked up or down or chopped short to fit other bullets. .300blk, .270 Wolverine, 7.62x40 Kurtz, 6x45, 7mm TCU... there are a couple dozen wildcats that only need a barrel change in an AR15 upper.

The other big advantage to using the .223 parent case is that you also don't need new magazines.

The 6.8SPC uses a .30Remington parent case and needs a new bolt... PSA actually had their bolts on sale for like $39 this summer a few times. The ARP Superbolt has thicker lugs designed to stand up to abuse with overpressure handloads.

You can fit 5-6 rounds of 6.8spc in a standard .223/5.56 magazine before the sidewalls bulge and rounds get stuck. 6.8spc mags are plentiful though and several companies make them.

So... to switch from .223 to 6.8spc, you need a new barrel and bolt. Of course it's tough to swap barrels in the field, so you actually need a totally new upper. You take your 5.56 upper off using the takedown pins, and slide the 6.8spc upper on... takes 20 seconds.
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6.8spc runs as single stack in the normal mags right? Wonder if you could fit more or run them more reliably with a new follower. People seem to have success 3d printing anti-tilt followers to put in old style ar mags.
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6.8spc runs as single stack in the normal mags right? Wonder if you could fit more or run them more reliably with a new follower. People seem to have success 3d printing anti-tilt followers to put in old style ar mags.
They're still double-stack, though you only get 25rds if you stick to a regular length. Barret makes some 30rd ones that are longer and like $40ea. Most guys stick with the Brownells/CProducts/PSA 25rd ones. Guys who hunt with these usually buy the 10rd ASC mags since they allow a longer seating depth than the 30rd models.

NOTE: LWRC branded 6.8 PMags will not work in a regular AR15 lower, they only work in LWRC lowers. Don't ask me why Magpul decided to go with a companies proprietary platform and not make mags for the other 99% of the 6.8 guns out there... kinda like how when PSA designed their AR10 receivers that won't mate with the hundred other DPMS-spec brands.

I'm pretty sure the internal construction of the mag is different... 6.8mags have beefier sidewalls or something. Lots of guys who hunt just use standard 5.56 10rd mags and only load like 5rds in them. PSA had a sale on their CProducts 25rd mags for $7 back in the summer... I bought a 10pack but have never used any of them. I've only run the 10rd ASC mags since it's a hunting gun.

I love the caliber, and those Hornady 120sst's are so good that I'm selling all my acquired reloading supplies for the caliber. I've got consumables for 1000rds and it's all up for sale. I love reloading as a hobby, but when I get 1/2" groups with a factory pure hunting round, there's just no reason to reload. I might shoot a box a year, and that doesn't justify having $500 worth of reloading **** that will take me 2 decades to shoot through.
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In a store, brand new, all at once... $1100-1200 just what's in the pictures. Buying sale prices online with free shipping over the course of a year during sales, piece by piece... maybe $1000. It looks like it's all there to get you started. LNL is a great press. I don't see any case-prep stuff... rifle brass HAS TO BE TRIMMED at some point. Also no lube, calipers, scale, funnel, puller, and a few other things... maybe he just didn't list them. It does say "and other tools", but I'd want an itemized list. If he has all those things, it's definitely a great deal at $700... if he has ONLY what's in the pictures, it's still a good deal.
Thanks for the assessment Samnavy. I talked to him and he said a scale, calipers, funnel, puller are part of the deal. He does not have any case-prep stuff. I negotiated the package for $600 and going to pick it up on Monday. Yay, another hobby.

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^That is a great deal! Dude, major score... next year when Hillary is ahead in the polls, you'll be able to sell it all for double if you want. Over the winter, reloading components usually get VERY cheap, especially around Xmas when everybody's money is spent and the major deer seasons are over.
.223, .308, and 9mm projectiles right now are the cheapest I've seen them in about 4 years.

These are the 2 places I buy most frequently from. They have a lot of 2nds and pulls... no better place for plinking bullets.
www.americanreloading.com
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