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Old 12-03-2015, 07:26 PM   #5181
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I dont think you can sell either of those within the state of NY can you? I'm pretty sure anything that is required to be registered either has to be destroyed or sold out of state if you dont want it anymore. Dont quote me on that though.
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Thanks for that. I did a bunch of reading last night, and it all got so confusing.

There's a zillion places selling 80% lowers, and they all just have that "you must follow local law" disclaimer. Well, what, exactly, it the local law? Even the Wiki on the SAFE act made it sound like it wasn't possible. But, I know it is, because the local Gander Mtn. place sells AR type long guns right out of the store. Do I just register them on the spot? [I may just walk into one of those places and ask to see what they say.]

The other major consideration is price, which is why I'm looking at the 80% lowers. I really don't need to drop another 6-8 hundred into another rifle. However, there are some things that may offset the cost. I have a pre-ban SKS still in the original, unopened box. I have seen these going for incredible prices in my area ($400 for a used one???), so I may look into selling that or trying to use it as a trade.

Also, I have a pre-ban Colt. Match grade, competition model (h-bar, etc.) which is also NIB. Would I be better off just using that one than trying to build one? Of course, I'd have to register it, because it has that oh-so-dangerous bayonet lug.

Gotta do some reading and research. Thanks again for the straight info.
Let's make sure we're on the same page... a featureless gun is not an assault rifle... it's just a semiautomatic rifle. A regular semi-automatic rifle becomes an assault rifle if it has ONE scary feature, like a pistol grip. New sales of "Assault Rifles" are completely banned in New York State, and any "Assault Rifle" owned before the SAFE ACT went into effect must be registered. HOWEVER, A FEATURELESS AR15 IS NOT AN "ASSAULT RIFLE", it's just any old other semi-auto that will accept a detachable mag.

DEFINITION OF AN "ASSAULT RIFLE" IN NEW YORK STATE:
Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines AND one or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, muzzle brake, muzzle compensator, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device that enables launching or firing rifle grenades, though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those mounted externally).
Thumbhole stock
A second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand.

So... you can buy a featureless AR15 just like any other semi-automatic rifle (or any bolt-action or lever-action)... no need for a purchase permit and no need to register.

If your PRE-BAN guns are not registered, then you're committing a felony. If you wish to register them, you're way past the deadline and should consult an attorney. However, you should immediately disassemble the gun to the bare receivers and put all the bad parts off-property... never know when the local cops will raid your house... they get addresses wrong all the time and won't give a **** when they find your illegal assault weapon that they're in the wrong house. You probably also have some unregistered +10 mags... disassemble those as well.

There's nothing wrong with 80% lowers, but WHY? You can't make an assault rifle out of them no matter what, and you don't have to register completed stripped lowers. OH... I've seen 3 places sell out of $39 Anderson Lowers today... if you're gonna order a stripped lower online, DO IT NOW or take your chances on waiting a year. Nobody is talking about the California incident to be another Sandy Hook because it's clearly terrorism, but Obama probably has a raging boner right now that they used AR15's and he can dance in the AWB blood.

Palmetto State will ship stripped lowers to New York... $59... but contact your FFL first... I just checked out a half-dozen random gunstores in the state and the going rate for transfers is $25.
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Anyone have a good answer on what, as a NYS resident I can legally purchase without having to register anything? AR style lowers, maybe something like a sub2000 if they're still around. Things are looking pretty crappy these days, and I want to be prepared.
I can't even imagine trying to be a gun owner in NY. I think 90 percent of my guns are illegal there. And the magazines.

The main problem with owning an AR in NY isn't getting ahold of one, it's not getting in trouble when you take it to the range.
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Was there a particular thread, or do you expect that I have to search (noob)?


That Ares SCR looks nice, but I really don't want to spend that kind of coin at this point. I'm not quite sure I like the look with a sporter style stock anyway. BTW, the do sell the lowers separately now.

I have tomorrow off, and I'm going to hit a couple of local places (Dick's, Gander Mtn. Local gun shop) to see if they'll offer me a decent price on either the AR or the SKS. Maybe they sell on consignment. We shall see.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=992153
I read through this one and it pointed me in a good direction. Jig inbound.
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Let's make sure we're on the same page... a featureless gun is not an assault rifle...
So... you can buy a featureless AR15 just like any other semi-automatic rifle (or any bolt-action or lever-action)... no need for a purchase permit and no need to register.
I NEVER use the term "assault rifle". I meant AR-15 stuff. Gander sells guns that look just like the "scary" guns. Not sure how they're getting around the law (maybe non-detachable mags?) but they look the same from a distance.


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If your PRE-BAN guns are not registered, then you're committing a felony. If you wish to register them, you're way past the deadline and should consult an attorney. However, you should immediately disassemble the gun to the bare receivers and put all the bad parts off-property... You probably also have some unregistered +10 mags... disassemble those as well.
Mags were disassembled long ago, and hidden. Not quite sure I'd even be able to find them without digging through all the crap in my basement. Actual guns are stored off-site in locked storage.

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There's nothing wrong with 80% lowers, but WHY?
Cost. Complete guns around here are $$$$. I want to build something to shoot that I don't have to worry about the random scratch or nick. I want something compliant besides the SKS, which shoots like crap. I'd also like the challenge/satisfaction of making my own. As a hobby machinist, it's something cool to make.
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Going to one of the Palmetto stores tomorrow. Hopefully they will have some decent sales going on. Particularly looking for AR bits. This new lower is going to be a slow build, with the parts that I want on it, as opposed to my first one, which was build a cheapass rifle.

I've got an idea in my head for some custom Cerakote, but have to find someone who can and will do it.
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I just grabbed 1200 Mini Mags from Cabela's, score!!!

So my wife is interested in a basic reliable AR for just because. Think 16.5" easy to wield with irons. I don't want to build something right now, just buy it & be done. I'm hearing good things (for the price point) of the S&W M&P Sport, I handled one & liked it. Could pick one up for at or under $600 here. Any opinions? Sportsman's also has a DPMS Oracle for $499 right now, but I've had DPMS before & it's OK but I'm thinking I'd like to try the Smith. I used to have a Rock River that fit the bill but like a dumb *** I traded it off.
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So my wife is interested in a basic reliable AR for just because. Think 16.5" easy to wield with irons. I don't want to build something right now, just buy it & be done. I'm hearing good things (for the price point) of the S&W M&P Sport, I handled one & liked it. Could pick one up for at or under $600 here. Any opinions?
My father has an M&P Sport and for the money it can't be beat, the only downside is the lack of a dust cover for the bolt carrier (non-issue). I've put a fair amount of rounds down range and it has been flawless and very accurate for the $$$.
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Old 12-05-2015, 09:18 AM   #5189
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So my wife is interested in a basic reliable AR for just because.... I don't want to build something right now, just buy it & be done. I'm hearing good things (for the price point) of the S&W M&P Sport, I handled one & liked it. Could pick one up for at or under $600 here. Any opinions? Sportsman's also has a DPMS Oracle for $499 right now, but I've had DPMS before & it's OK but I'm thinking I'd like to try the Smith. I used to have a Rock River that fit the bill but like a dumb *** I traded it off.
Skip the S&W's... while they are just fine, they are also exactly the same kind of "just fine" as dozens of other manufacturers. I'll never buy a Smith again because all the castle nuts on their buffer tubes are staked... a gigantic ******* pain in the *** if you ever want to take it off. And they're AGAIN, overpriced.

I hate to say it, but the current best bang-for-buck is from PSA... get one of their $129 blem classic lowers and one of the Freedom uppers... then throw on a BCG/CH and be done for well under $500 all in, including a Magpul MBUS rear sight. Their NIB BCG's are a pretty good value. A 10pk of D&H mags will complete the deal.

PSA AR-15 Complete Blem Lower - Classic Edition - No Magazine - 37202
PSA 16" Mid-length Stainless 1:7 Freedom Upper - Without BCG or Charging Handle - 482726
5.56 Full Auto Nickel Boron BCG with Charging Handle
D&H 5.56 30rd Aluminum Magazine

Also... there is no better budget trigger upgrade than the AGG QMS... I have them on all my guns and they are ****... $40 on sale:
Quality Mil-Spec Trigger (QMS) - Triggers - AR15 / AR10 - Lower Parts
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Skip the S&W's... while they are just fine, they are also exactly the same kind of "just fine" as dozens of other manufacturers. I'll never buy a Smith again because all the castle nuts on their buffer tubes are staked... a gigantic ******* pain in the *** if you ever want to take it off.
Wait, you don't stake your castle nuts? I thought that was pretty standard assembly procedure. In fact, I see way more complaints about manufacturers not properly staking the castle nut.
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Wait, you don't stake your castle nuts? I thought that was pretty standard assembly procedure. In fact, I see way more complaints about manufacturers not properly staking the castle nut.
IMHO... staking is for something you consider permanent. Some day I might want to install an A2 or pistol tube on a receiver, or sell it stripped, or whatever. True, I know plenty of people who have had their castle nuts come loose, but they will freely admit to not using an actual install tool (or any tool) AND of course not using Locktite. Install tightly using a full-size AR armorers wrench and a dab of any Locktite... done.

ALSO... perfect opportunity to mention carrying spare parts with you. In fact, with complete quality LPK's for less than $50 pretty much everywhere, there is zero reason not to have a full spare LPK on hand. You can say the same about a spare BCG... PSA has their phosphate auto MPI BCG's on sale for $60. Cheap insurance when you know that nobody else at the range is likely to have a spare (or admit to one)... in fact, you might be able to save somebody elses day by carrying a spare LPK or BCG. Just sayin'.
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I guess I can see that. Staking it was pretty easy so I don't anticipate it would be that difficult to undo it, but maybe I'll regret it. I used a magazine well plug and an armorer's wrench to tighten the nut, then staked it with a spring-loaded punch.
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I hate to say it, but the current best bang-for-buck is from PSA... get one of their $129 blem classic lowers and one of the Freedom uppers... then throw on a BCG/CH and be done for well under $500 all in, including a Magpul MBUS rear sight. Their NIB BCG's are a pretty good value.
I almost bought that exact upper last night for a lower I've had laying around for a few years. Never spoke with anyone who has had personal experience with them...their price almost seems to good to be true.
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22mag Armscor 40gr. 25 yds. 3 shots.
You can barely see the X I scratched with the bullet tip.
That'll do.
I need to zero at 100, but 25-50 yds is a typical coyote shot for me.
I found a dead cat near the fence row I cut wood.
It wasn't one of mine, but it was close to my property.
It's on.
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It's pretty awesome living within like 10min of PSA. They have some pretty solid sales on ammo when you don't have to factor in shipping.
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I shot my budget AR with the $10 amazon muzzle brake on it now. Lol wow, you can shoot it 1 handed with your arm extended. And it still has the gasport at 180% the nogo gauge for the milspec, lol.

I also got to shoot an FN-AL, the guy that owned it had an orgasm when he saw my PMR30, lol. And of course it FTF on him twice (limp wrist ******) and then right after I went to shoot it the front fiber optic fell out of the sight. I know they'll warranty it no problem though.
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So, shot a little USPSA today... and decided to take my GoPro. Shooting an M&P Pro C.O.R.E. in 9mm in Production. Here's a couple of the stages... I balloxed the other two stages, so no video of those (that I want to show in public... )

3rd stage... starting from seated, gun and all mags on barrels. I pointed in on one double target from the wrong spot, and then remembered not to shoot it from there. Probably cost me a second, but would have run the gun dry (Production is limited to 10 in the mags) if I'd shot them from there.


4th stage... this one went well until I stepped out of the shooting box at the last position, and had to pull back.


I dislike the 'gaminess' of USPSA, but it's good trigger time....
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22mag Armscor 40gr. 25 yds. 3 shots...
Remind me the rifle that's out of?

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I almost bought that exact upper last night for a lower I've had laying around for a few years. Never spoke with anyone who has had personal experience with them...their price almost seems to good to be true.
Everybody loves the Freedom line... all the parts are their normal spec stuff with a decent barrel.
What I pay for a plinker upper:
Barrel: $70
Upper: $40
FA/DC:$12
Gas Block: $15
Tube: $10
Rail: $50

I actually don't understand how PSA gets away with charging so much for it's basic stuff. My bottom-feeder-no-markings $70 PSA barrel shoots my "quantity over quality" 55gr handloads at 1.5" all day long. I know that if I tuned up some serious 68gr Matchkings over Varget that I could cut that in half. In any case, you can build plinker-quality barreled uppers for under $200 no problemo.
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Remind me the rifle that's out of?
Savage 93 FV-SR.
Mine came without a fluted barrel though.
General feedback:
It's accurate, obviously. I took the cheap scope off my 22, got on paper with the first shot, adjusted elevation, and was zeroed on the second shot.

Adjustable trigger is awesome. The first squeeze was just a little gritty, but every one after made me make sex noises. I left it the way it came from the factory.

LOP is perfect for me. It's about 5 inches shorter than my 22 with the same barrel but with a bench style stock which surprised me a bit.

The stock is flimsy forward of the action.
The barrel is free floated, but the stock flexes so much that it will touch the barrel if you're holding the rifle.
Not an issue at 25 yds, and probably won't be at 100 either, but I haven't tested it that far yet.

The 5 shot magazine will not feed the first two rounds worth a damn. The chamber is not ramped, so the cartridge needs to enter at a pretty significant angle.
I can't find any ammo other than 40grn armscor to determine if it prefers lighter bullets.
With 3 in the mag, it feeds flawlessly.
I'm going to try out some 10 rounders and see if that's any better.

Overall, I think it's a fantastic rifle. It's truly difficult, if not impossible to do better than a savage for the money.
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Thanks for that list Sam. I did decide to skip the S&W, and apparently I decided to skip the cheap part altogether, because I went to my fun store on Saturday & a new Ruger SR-556 followed me home. Decided I really wanted gas piston so F*** it. NGD!!

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