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Old 09-17-2011, 09:19 PM   #541
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What an *******.

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Honestly, I wouldn't even bother reading/posting on most gun forums because it's beyond frustrating having to deal with people debate Magpul vs. VLTOR, etc.
I have become very familiar with those kinds of debates... kinda like FM vs. BEGI. As I learn more about the industry and science of modern gun ownership, it's getting easier and easier to weed through the actual "save-your-life" information, and the guys who think they could single-handedly take on Hezbollah because they "took a course". Initially however, it was not. I've watched about a hundred YouTube videos of various people doing their things, and as long as you look past most of these guys' mantra/schtick/religion/agenda/politics/etc... and just watch for the techinical data presented, making the right decision for yourself becomes clearer.

For example... I was dead-set on a Keltek P3AT for my CCW based on everything I'd read... until I actually went to a store and picked one up. It did not fit my hand at all... neither did four or five others, until I picked up the Bodyguard... like a glove, and still in my pricerange, although prior I hadn't even considered it because all the pictures online made it look too big. I still need to shoot one, but it hits home the point that all the internet commando **** I'd read was moot just by walking into a store.

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Old 09-17-2011, 09:52 PM   #543
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I'm a big fan of keeping things simple and there are very few people on the Internet who I feel share my beliefs when it comes to modifications, lifestyle and "training".

You mentioned ARs before so I'll give you an example pertaining to ARs.

For my money, the greatest AR-style rifle configured with a 20" barrel available to the civilian market was the Colt Sporter HBAR. It's simply perfect but because everyone wants to be tactical and has that "combat" mentality, I'm going to go ahead and say that the greatest AR-style rifle at the moment is the Colt Defense LE6920/Colt MFG. SP6920. There, I said it. I am a Coltfag and everyone likes to share how they built some superior AR-platform .223 rifle for $xxx cheaper but to me, I don't care. I know what I like and I like what I know. My old man bought a few Bushmasters awhile back but they were dogshit while my old trusty Colt Sporter Lightweight (circa 1992) is still trucking without any failures ever. It's never once let me down and I don't expect it to.

The "operator" mentality will kill any positivity the firearms industry has gained in recent years. These ******** who grow beards, preach tactical AR superiority and run around in desert multicam are a menace. While they have no formal training they will speak at length about their afternoon at the carbine course, where they spent the entire time weaving through a very technical course hitting every target with 100% accuracy.

While, in reality, they spent the afternoon bullshitting with equally obese men only taking the occasional opportunity to run the course in which they hit maybe 65% of the targets yet expelled 10x the recommended amount of ammunition because hey, they've got that mulitcam load bearing vest weighed down with ranger'd P mags for a reason, right?

I don't understand the thought process of these individuals and perhaps I never will. I am not an operator and I pray to **** that I never see a need to load myself down with MOLLE gear and my bug out back, sling my desert-color rattlecanned Daniel Defense AR over my shoulder using my super tactical Delta Force-inspired single-attachment sling and march off into the city to fight the Koreans.

When I was a kid, I never used to see people like this out at the range. They simply didn't exist. The only person I ever knew who carried a bug-out-bag was a friend of my old man's who was a former park ranger (read: the kind that tracked 'wanted' grizzlies and **** out in Alaska, Yellowstone, etc.) and he kept it in his car out of habit.

Also, none of these ******** live in the ******* desert. We live in Florida, why would you paint your rifle tan?
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It's funny how a lot of these guys, like Pusha said, are fat. If there so convinced that some sort of WROL has a decent chance of happening, then why don't they bother loosing some weight? Survival would have more to do with things like getting food and staying hidden/getting away from people that might want to kill you then fighting off hoards of attackers.
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because actual activity that you can't make youtube videos about is boring. no one wants to watch a video of me running two miles but people would love to see your two spam cans of 7.62 x 39 and 300 rounds of assorted .380.
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because actual activity that you can't make youtube videos about is boring. no one wants to watch a video of me running two miles but people would love to see your two spam cans of 7.62 x 39 and 300 rounds of assorted .380.
I mean it more as a part of there ideology then as entertainment value (YT video). I'm saying if these guys really believed in the situations they talk about then there priorities would be different and they would work on things other then running around shooting little round targets in the desert.
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they have no ideology, their entire lives are predicated on bullshit
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I'm in complete agreement with Pusha. Just don't understand it.
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I'll admit that I've put some thought into buying a "tactical" belt but that's only because my Vietnam-era bandolier is beginning to fall apart.

I'm considering something like this with a couple mag pouches but it's going to limit my holster options



http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.as...fM&groupid=320
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also, holy ****

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I've wanted to get an AR for a long time to use for range plinking, and just to have.

I'm now halfway considering just going that route instead of tracking down a Kel Tec carbine.

1. Is an AR with 55gr ballistic tips a decent home defense weapon in a suburban area? I'm really worried about over-penetration, but from what I've read on gel ballistics for this round it doesn't seem like a valid concern (despite what you'll read on many forums).

2. Is there a short enough OAL AR platform that makes it handy in hallways? I want to be around 30in, or less.
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i've wanted to get an ar for a long time to use for range plinking, and just to have.

I'm now halfway considering just going that route instead of tracking down a kel tec carbine.

1. Is an ar with 55gr ballistic tips a decent home defense weapon in a suburban area? I'm really worried about over-penetration, but from what i've read on gel ballistics for this round it doesn't seem like a valid concern (despite what you'll read on many forums).

2. Is there a short enough oal ar platform that makes it handy in hallways? I want to be around 30in, or less.
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goddamn right, I'm going to be ordering my first AK in the next couple weeks pending my pap smear results
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I had a bullpup AK that checked most of my boxes...and was fun to shoot. But everyone convinced me that the AR such a better shooter I ditched it and started saving up.

So chambered in 5.45x39 it's that much better for what I'll be doing I need to consider it?
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I had a bullpup AK that checked most of my boxes...and was fun to shoot.
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Yeah, I kinda hated it. Wasn't really good for anything. Neat idea, but is a funky to handle setup.

Reading up on the 5.45x39 Saigas...

NM...I figured it out (hard to follow a four character response).

So an AR with a 5.45 upper...sounds awesome.

Forgive me as I'm new to the world of ARs...but looks like I'd have to piece that together?
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I'll admit that I've put some thought into buying a "tactical" belt but that's only because my Vietnam-era bandolier is beginning to fall apart.

I'm considering something like this with a couple mag pouches but it's going to limit my holster options



http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.as...fM&groupid=320
That wouldn't be bad.

Ever seen these?



Kind of a neat idea except the $40 each pricetag.

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I was jizzing over that a few weeks ago until I realized they were berdan primed. Least you could use them at ranges that cry over steel core bullets.
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That wouldn't be bad.
I think it'd be one of the more inoffensive options out there right now as I don't see the point in wearing a goddamn plate carrier and full body apparatus if I'm just shooting water bottles and paper.

My current tactical load-bearing equipment:



I took my old Bianchi holster out to the range a few weeks ago and some dude took a break from adjusting the sites on his Glock 19 to tell me my holster was a "suicide holster".

Holster:



My dad gave it to me after he was done with it in the early 90s. I've had it since my Beretta 92F days and I've never had a problem with it (still fits my all of my sigs). I used to run around with it in a drop-leg configuration on my old Uncle Mike's belt he had made for me because I was too small for a real belt.

I was tactical before the AWB passed in 1994 but I outgrew it quickly. There's something to realizing every major "WROL" situation worldwide isn't won exclusively by multicam and tac lights.







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Kind of a neat idea except the $40 each pricetag.
Meh, anything Kydex you can make yourself for CHEAP.

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I was jizzing over that a few weeks ago until I realized they were berdan primed. Least you could use them at ranges that cry over steel core bullets.
meh, most outdoor ranges will let you shoot steel-cased rounds all day. what really grinds my gears is the old fudds who sit around and poach your brass without even asking if they can have it. I've got over 10k assorted brass .223 or 5.56 casings sitting in my garage from the rock 'n roll days. literally, a ******* drum full of casings. my old man has been getting Dillon's Blue Press catalogs for as long as I can remember and I'm starting to consider reloading.
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I think it'd be one of the more inoffensive options out there right now as I don't see the point in wearing a goddamn plate carrier and full body apparatus if I'm just shooting water bottles and paper.

My current tactical load-bearing equipment:


Wow, that's been around a while. You'd totally shoot bottles better if you wore a plate carrier.

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I took my old Bianchi holster out to the range a few weeks ago and some dude took a break from adjusting the sites on his Glock 19 to tell me my holster was a "suicide holster".

Holster:



My dad gave it to me after he was done with it in the early 90s. I've had it since my Beretta 92F days and I've never had a problem with it (still fits my all of my sigs). I used to run around with it in a drop-leg configuration on my old Uncle Mike's belt he had made for me because I was too small for a real belt.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that holster. I have an uncle mikes paddle holster made for a Glock 17 but my walther happens to fit. Its tight and takes a little extra effort to remove it. That a suicide holster too? Does it make you feel strange that I was thinking about you today? Some guy pulls up to the range wearing a black t-shirt and jeans. First thing he does is put on a black tactical vest with dropdown leg holster. Wanted so bad to take his picture because he looked like a complete ******* toolbag.

Had a S&W or Glock in 40S&W. How do I know that? After burning through 20 full magazines fast as he could pull the trigger, GIJOE got in his truck and left. I collected his brass, along with a few 3030 hulls.



Doesn't look it, but that bag weighs about 4.5 pounds. What can I say, I'm cheap.

You know, I'd place a wager you could remove a gun from that holster and fire just as fast if not quicker than I could pull my piece from an IWB holster..

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Meh, anything Kydex you can make yourself for CHEAP.
That's the crazy part. Found a guy on a local board who used to make those kydex m4 magazine clips for $15. You're right though, a small sheet of kydex is supercheap and the stuff is hella easy to work with.

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meh, most outdoor ranges will let you shoot steel-cased rounds all day. what really grinds my gears is the old fudds who sit around and poach your brass without even asking if they can have it. I've got over 10k assorted brass .223 or 5.56 casings sitting in my garage from the rock 'n roll days. literally, a ******* drum full of casings. my old man has been getting Dillon's Blue Press catalogs for as long as I can remember and I'm starting to consider reloading.


The 2 places I shoot don't give a **** what you shoot because they're self regulated. The one place my brother prefers to shoot I hate. Always some range **** walking around putting his mitts on your rifles without asking, crys if you're firing too fast, polices what you're shooting... What I hate the most is you've unloaded your car, get the target setup and squeeze off 4 rounds to zero your scope. "Cease fire!!" 20 minutes later.... You're shooting again. Oh, did I mention the place charges by the hour? **** Parma woods.

I've never had anyone pirate my brass.. That's fucked up..



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I was tactical before the AWB passed in 1994 but I outgrew it quickly. There's something to realizing every major "WROL" situation worldwide isn't won exclusively by multicam and tac lights.





Ask yourself this.. Who do you think would get targeted first..

These asshats:


Or the guy with a Sig/Colt/Smith/Glock/... carefully tucked in his waistband appearing to pose absolutely no threat to anyone...

What you can't see in this picture...


Is the full size Kimber 1911 .45 neatly tucked in my waistband.


That ******* cellphone holster not only carries my phone, but can fit anything from a Ruger/Keltec P3AT to a full framed auto or even a 6" wheel. The only printing it does is the damn phone pouch. That was a great $20.00 investment.
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As a price comparison, that is only $3 (shipped) cheaper than what I just paid for those 640 rounds ($138 vs $141). It is brass but has corrosive primers (not sure how big a deal that is but I am not buying something that is stamped corrosive).
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