Yet Another Gun Thread
10-13-2011, 10:22 PM
#803
Interesting 7.62 x 25 pistol ($0.17/rd) for $430. Comes with four 35 round mags. The stock is fixed in the folded position:
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct883.aspx
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct883.aspx
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10-14-2011, 02:05 PM
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It's a couple of pieces of metal riveted together, and it costs way more than it should, because most losers don't have the slightest idea as to how to make one themselves.
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10-14-2011, 02:55 PM
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Nice! That'd be interesting..
I can speak from experience those stocks ******* suck for comfort.. The last HK I fired some jackass greased the rails which obviously transfers to your face.
I can speak from experience those stocks ******* suck for comfort.. The last HK I fired some jackass greased the rails which obviously transfers to your face.
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10-14-2011, 03:12 PM
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Will be adding an HK53 wide foregrip and an attachment for a suppressor most likely. If my CETME is any indication, this thing is going to be border-line ridiculous to shoot. Just the way I like it!
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10-14-2011, 03:43 PM
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Target rifle:
Savage MKII btvs
Looks basicaly like this.
My pistol:
Springfield XD 3.8 9mm
My Wifes:
Walther p22 with "lazer"
Looks like this
but has the "lazer" mounted at the bottom like this:
Friend of mine builds AK-74's and Saiga 12's (prices jumped like mad on those), I love shooting them, but still cant convince myself that I need them.
Savage MKII btvs
Looks basicaly like this.
My pistol:
Springfield XD 3.8 9mm
My Wifes:
Walther p22 with "lazer"
Looks like this
but has the "lazer" mounted at the bottom like this:
Friend of mine builds AK-74's and Saiga 12's (prices jumped like mad on those), I love shooting them, but still cant convince myself that I need them.
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10-14-2011, 06:09 PM
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I've been trying to practice shooting with my left hand (I'm right dominant) unsupported but doesn't work very well.
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10-15-2011, 12:02 PM
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Sorry i missed your comment.
At march 1 you have the first sound wave that causes a lot of turbulence and accuracy takes a big hit.
In other words its better to shoot it at much faster speed so it wont get that low at any point or shoot it slower so it never hits that speed.
At march 1 you have the first sound wave that causes a lot of turbulence and accuracy takes a big hit.
In other words its better to shoot it at much faster speed so it wont get that low at any point or shoot it slower so it never hits that speed.
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10-15-2011, 12:40 PM
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This is the $10,000 trigger group for the 10/22. Automatic weapons are only "illegal" for poor people like me. If you are rich you can shoot whatever you want. Not fair...
Not a snowballs chance in hell that the law will ever change but that doesn't mean it isn't stupid.
Not a snowballs chance in hell that the law will ever change but that doesn't mean it isn't stupid.
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10-15-2011, 02:02 PM
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Sorry i missed your comment.
At march 1 you have the first sound wave that causes a lot of turbulence and accuracy takes a big hit.
In other words its better to shoot it at much faster speed so it wont get that low at any point or shoot it slower so it never hits that speed.
At march 1 you have the first sound wave that causes a lot of turbulence and accuracy takes a big hit.
In other words its better to shoot it at much faster speed so it wont get that low at any point or shoot it slower so it never hits that speed.
Did your research indicate any difference with regard to bullet weight and/or bullet dimensions? IE, are heavier bullets affected less, and is there a difference between longer or shorter bullets? Or rate of spin?
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10-15-2011, 02:36 PM
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Drop in auto sear for an AR-15. These sell for $8000 - $10,000, but you *can* find them cheaper. Pre-1981 drop in auto sears were legal to make, own, and operate yourself without registration. After 1981 they had to be registered and serialized however the BATF grandfathered Pre-81 sears. Problem is 99% of them aren't serialized and have no paperwork to prove they were made pre-81 so basically, you're fucked if caught with one because you can't prove it was made pre-81.
These laws are pretty ******* silly if you ask me.
Go Go Gadget fucktards.
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10-15-2011, 05:10 PM
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Here is a perfect example of how ******* retarded lawmakers can be:
What do we get from all that bullshit? In the state of Kansas it is illegal to carry a concealed handgun anywhere but your place of business or personal property, possess a device to suppress the report of a firearm, sell/manufacture/purchase/possess a shotgun with a barrel < 18" or any other firearm designed to discharge or capable of discharging automatically more than one bullet per trigger pull.
Buuuuut.... When you read the extra garbage they threw in if you're a licensed hunter you can carry a concealed handgun. Does anyone notice it does not expressly imply you're required a CCW permit? Interesting.. It's legal to carry a concealed pistol if you've received a license issued or recognized by the state of Kansas. Fair enough, I can see how that addendum would apply. This is what makes me laugh though; (i) says Subsection (a)(6) and (7) don't apply or affect anyone in compliance with the NFA. No ******* ****?? What was the point of making it illegal in the state to break a federal law?
Laws in this Country are full of backtracking garbage like this, written to confuse the **** out of anyone who isn't in their little legal game club..
KANSAS 21-4201. Criminal use of weapons . (a) Criminal use of weapons is knowingly:
(1) Selling, manufacturing, purchasing, possessing or carrying any bludgeon, sandclub, metal knuckles or throwing
star, or any knife, commonly referred to as a switch-blade, which has a blade that opens automatically by hand pressure
applied to a button, spring or other device in the handle of the knife, or any knife having a blade that opens or falls or is
ejected into position by the force of gravity or by an outward, downward or centrifugal thrust or movement. This subsection
shall not prohibit any ordinary pocket knife which has a spring, detent or other device which creates a bias towards closure
of the blade and which requires hand pressure applied to such spring, detent or device through the blade of the knife to
overcome the bias towards closure to assist in the opening of the knife;
(2) carrying concealed on one's person, or possessing with intent to use the same unlawfully against another, a
dagger, dirk, billy, blackjack, slungshot, dangerous knife, straight-edged razor, stiletto or any other dangerous or deadly
weapon or instrument of like character, except that an ordinary pocket knife with no blade more than four inches in length
shall not be construed to be a dangerous knife, or a dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument;
(3) carrying on one's person or in any land, water or air vehicle, with intent to use the same unlawfully, a tear gas or
smoke bomb or projector or any object containing a noxious liquid, gas or substance;
(4) carrying any pistol, revolver or other firearm concealed on one's person except when on the person's land or in the
person's abode or fixed place of business;
(5) setting a spring gun;
(6) possessing any device or attachment of any kind designed, used or intended for use in suppressing the report of
any firearm;
(7) selling, manufacturing, purchasing, possessing or carrying a shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches in length or
any other firearm designed to discharge or capable of discharging automatically more than once by a single function of the
trigger; or
(8) possessing, manufacturing, causing to be manufactured, selling, offering for sale, lending, purchasing or giving
away any cartridge which can be fired by a handgun and which has a plastic-coated bullet that has a core of less than 60%
lead by weight.
(b) Subsections (a)(1), (2), (3), (4) and (7) shall not apply to or affect any of the following:
(1) Law enforcement officers, or any person summoned by any such officers to assist in making arrests or preserving
the peace while actually engaged in assisting such officer;
(2) wardens, superintendents, directors, security personnel and keepers of prisons, penitentiaries, jails and other
institutions for the detention of persons accused or convicted of crime, while acting within the scope of their authority;
(3) members of the armed services or reserve forces of the United States or the Kansas national guard while in the
performance of their official duty; or
(4) manufacture of, transportation to, or sale of weapons to a person authorized under subsections (b)(1), (2) and (3)
to possess such weapons.
(c) Subsection (a)(4) shall not apply to or affect the following:
(1) Watchmen, while actually engaged in the performance of the duties of their employment;
(2) licensed hunters or fishermen, while engaged in hunting or fishing;
(3) private detectives licensed by the state to carry the firearm involved, while actually engaged in the duties of their
employment;
(4) detectives or special agents regularly employed by railroad companies or other corporations to perform full-time
security or investigative service, while actually engaged in the duties of their employment;
(5) the state fire marshal, the state fire marshal's deputies or any member of a fire department authorized to carry a
firearm pursuant to K.S.A. 31-157 and amendments thereto, while engaged in an investigation in which such fire marshal,
deputy or member is authorized to carry a firearm pursuant to K.S.A. 31-157 and amendments thereto;
(6) special deputy sheriffs described in K.S.A. 19-827, and amendments thereto, who have satisfactorily completed
the basic course of instruction required for permanent appointment as a part-time law enforcement officer under K.S.A. 74-
5607a and amendments thereto; or
(7) the United States attorney for the district of Kansas, the attorney general, any district attorney or county attorney,
any assistant United States attorney if authorized by the United States attorney for the district of Kansas, any assistant
attorney general if authorized by the attorney general, or any assistant district attorney or assistant county attorney if
authorized by the district attorney or county attorney by whom such assistant is employed. The provisions of this paragraph
shall not apply to any person not in compliance with K.S.A. 2010 Supp. 75-7c19, and amendments thereto.
(d) Subsections (a)(1), (6) and (7) shall not apply to any person who sells, purchases, possesses or carries a firearm,
device or attachment which has been rendered unserviceable by steel weld in the chamber and marriage weld of the barrel to
the receiver and which has been registered in the national firearms registration and transfer record in compliance with 26
U.S.C. 5841 et seq. in the name of such person and, if such person transfers such firearm, device or attachment to another
person, has been so registered in the transferee's name by the transferor.
(e) Subsection (a)(8) shall not apply to a governmental laboratory or solid plastic bullets.(f) Subsection (a)(6) shall not apply to a law enforcement officer who is:
(1) Assigned by the head of such officer's law enforcement agency to a tactical unit which receives specialized,
regular training;
(2) designated by the head of such officer's law enforcement agency to possess devices described in subsection (a)
(6); and
(3) in possession of commercially manufactured devices which are: (A) Owned by the law enforcement agency; (B)
in such officer's possession only during specific operations; and (C) approved by the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms
and explosives of the United States department of justice.
(g) Subsections (a)(6), (7) and (8) shall not apply to any person employed by a laboratory which is certified by the
United States department of justice, national institute of justice, while actually engaged in the duties of their employment
and on the premises of such certified laboratory. Subsections (a)(6), (7) and (8) shall not affect the manufacture of,
transportation to or sale of weapons to such certified laboratory.
(h) Subsection (a)(4) shall not apply to any person carrying a concealed handgun as authorized by K.S.A. 2010 Supp.
75-7c01 et seq., and amendments thereto. It shall not be a violation of this section if a person violates the provisions of
K.S.A. 2010 Supp. 75-7c03, and amendments thereto, but has an otherwise valid license to carry a concealed handgun
which is issued or recognized by this state.
(i) Subsections (a)(6) and (7) shall not apply to or affect any person or entity in compliance with the national firearms
act, 26 U.S.C. 5801 et seq.
(j) It shall be a defense that the defendant is within an exemption.
(k) Violation of subsections (a)(1) through (a)(5) is a class A nonperson misdemeanor. Violation of subsection (a)(6),
(a)(7) or (a)(8) is a severity level 9, nonperson felony.
(l) As used in this section, "throwing star" means any instrument, without handles, consisting of a metal plate having
three or more radiating points with one or more sharp edges and designed in the shape of a polygon, trefoil, cross, star,
diamond or other geometric shape, manufactured for use as a weapon for throwing
(1) Selling, manufacturing, purchasing, possessing or carrying any bludgeon, sandclub, metal knuckles or throwing
star, or any knife, commonly referred to as a switch-blade, which has a blade that opens automatically by hand pressure
applied to a button, spring or other device in the handle of the knife, or any knife having a blade that opens or falls or is
ejected into position by the force of gravity or by an outward, downward or centrifugal thrust or movement. This subsection
shall not prohibit any ordinary pocket knife which has a spring, detent or other device which creates a bias towards closure
of the blade and which requires hand pressure applied to such spring, detent or device through the blade of the knife to
overcome the bias towards closure to assist in the opening of the knife;
(2) carrying concealed on one's person, or possessing with intent to use the same unlawfully against another, a
dagger, dirk, billy, blackjack, slungshot, dangerous knife, straight-edged razor, stiletto or any other dangerous or deadly
weapon or instrument of like character, except that an ordinary pocket knife with no blade more than four inches in length
shall not be construed to be a dangerous knife, or a dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument;
(3) carrying on one's person or in any land, water or air vehicle, with intent to use the same unlawfully, a tear gas or
smoke bomb or projector or any object containing a noxious liquid, gas or substance;
(4) carrying any pistol, revolver or other firearm concealed on one's person except when on the person's land or in the
person's abode or fixed place of business;
(5) setting a spring gun;
(6) possessing any device or attachment of any kind designed, used or intended for use in suppressing the report of
any firearm;
(7) selling, manufacturing, purchasing, possessing or carrying a shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches in length or
any other firearm designed to discharge or capable of discharging automatically more than once by a single function of the
trigger; or
(8) possessing, manufacturing, causing to be manufactured, selling, offering for sale, lending, purchasing or giving
away any cartridge which can be fired by a handgun and which has a plastic-coated bullet that has a core of less than 60%
lead by weight.
(b) Subsections (a)(1), (2), (3), (4) and (7) shall not apply to or affect any of the following:
(1) Law enforcement officers, or any person summoned by any such officers to assist in making arrests or preserving
the peace while actually engaged in assisting such officer;
(2) wardens, superintendents, directors, security personnel and keepers of prisons, penitentiaries, jails and other
institutions for the detention of persons accused or convicted of crime, while acting within the scope of their authority;
(3) members of the armed services or reserve forces of the United States or the Kansas national guard while in the
performance of their official duty; or
(4) manufacture of, transportation to, or sale of weapons to a person authorized under subsections (b)(1), (2) and (3)
to possess such weapons.
(c) Subsection (a)(4) shall not apply to or affect the following:
(1) Watchmen, while actually engaged in the performance of the duties of their employment;
(2) licensed hunters or fishermen, while engaged in hunting or fishing;
(3) private detectives licensed by the state to carry the firearm involved, while actually engaged in the duties of their
employment;
(4) detectives or special agents regularly employed by railroad companies or other corporations to perform full-time
security or investigative service, while actually engaged in the duties of their employment;
(5) the state fire marshal, the state fire marshal's deputies or any member of a fire department authorized to carry a
firearm pursuant to K.S.A. 31-157 and amendments thereto, while engaged in an investigation in which such fire marshal,
deputy or member is authorized to carry a firearm pursuant to K.S.A. 31-157 and amendments thereto;
(6) special deputy sheriffs described in K.S.A. 19-827, and amendments thereto, who have satisfactorily completed
the basic course of instruction required for permanent appointment as a part-time law enforcement officer under K.S.A. 74-
5607a and amendments thereto; or
(7) the United States attorney for the district of Kansas, the attorney general, any district attorney or county attorney,
any assistant United States attorney if authorized by the United States attorney for the district of Kansas, any assistant
attorney general if authorized by the attorney general, or any assistant district attorney or assistant county attorney if
authorized by the district attorney or county attorney by whom such assistant is employed. The provisions of this paragraph
shall not apply to any person not in compliance with K.S.A. 2010 Supp. 75-7c19, and amendments thereto.
(d) Subsections (a)(1), (6) and (7) shall not apply to any person who sells, purchases, possesses or carries a firearm,
device or attachment which has been rendered unserviceable by steel weld in the chamber and marriage weld of the barrel to
the receiver and which has been registered in the national firearms registration and transfer record in compliance with 26
U.S.C. 5841 et seq. in the name of such person and, if such person transfers such firearm, device or attachment to another
person, has been so registered in the transferee's name by the transferor.
(e) Subsection (a)(8) shall not apply to a governmental laboratory or solid plastic bullets.(f) Subsection (a)(6) shall not apply to a law enforcement officer who is:
(1) Assigned by the head of such officer's law enforcement agency to a tactical unit which receives specialized,
regular training;
(2) designated by the head of such officer's law enforcement agency to possess devices described in subsection (a)
(6); and
(3) in possession of commercially manufactured devices which are: (A) Owned by the law enforcement agency; (B)
in such officer's possession only during specific operations; and (C) approved by the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms
and explosives of the United States department of justice.
(g) Subsections (a)(6), (7) and (8) shall not apply to any person employed by a laboratory which is certified by the
United States department of justice, national institute of justice, while actually engaged in the duties of their employment
and on the premises of such certified laboratory. Subsections (a)(6), (7) and (8) shall not affect the manufacture of,
transportation to or sale of weapons to such certified laboratory.
(h) Subsection (a)(4) shall not apply to any person carrying a concealed handgun as authorized by K.S.A. 2010 Supp.
75-7c01 et seq., and amendments thereto. It shall not be a violation of this section if a person violates the provisions of
K.S.A. 2010 Supp. 75-7c03, and amendments thereto, but has an otherwise valid license to carry a concealed handgun
which is issued or recognized by this state.
(i) Subsections (a)(6) and (7) shall not apply to or affect any person or entity in compliance with the national firearms
act, 26 U.S.C. 5801 et seq.
(j) It shall be a defense that the defendant is within an exemption.
(k) Violation of subsections (a)(1) through (a)(5) is a class A nonperson misdemeanor. Violation of subsection (a)(6),
(a)(7) or (a)(8) is a severity level 9, nonperson felony.
(l) As used in this section, "throwing star" means any instrument, without handles, consisting of a metal plate having
three or more radiating points with one or more sharp edges and designed in the shape of a polygon, trefoil, cross, star,
diamond or other geometric shape, manufactured for use as a weapon for throwing
Buuuuut.... When you read the extra garbage they threw in if you're a licensed hunter you can carry a concealed handgun. Does anyone notice it does not expressly imply you're required a CCW permit? Interesting.. It's legal to carry a concealed pistol if you've received a license issued or recognized by the state of Kansas. Fair enough, I can see how that addendum would apply. This is what makes me laugh though; (i) says Subsection (a)(6) and (7) don't apply or affect anyone in compliance with the NFA. No ******* ****?? What was the point of making it illegal in the state to break a federal law?
Laws in this Country are full of backtracking garbage like this, written to confuse the **** out of anyone who isn't in their little legal game club..
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