Yet Another Gun Thread
10-16-2011, 08:58 AM
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Winrar!!
Drop in auto sear for an AR-15. These sell for $8000 - $10,000, but you *can* find them cheaper. Pre-1981 drop in auto sears were legal to make, own, and operate yourself without registration. After 1981 they had to be registered and serialized however the BATF grandfathered Pre-81 sears. Problem is 99% of them aren't serialized and have no paperwork to prove they were made pre-81 so basically, you're fucked if caught with one because you can't prove it was made pre-81.
These laws are pretty ******* silly if you ask me.
Go Go Gadget fucktards.
Drop in auto sear for an AR-15. These sell for $8000 - $10,000, but you *can* find them cheaper. Pre-1981 drop in auto sears were legal to make, own, and operate yourself without registration. After 1981 they had to be registered and serialized however the BATF grandfathered Pre-81 sears. Problem is 99% of them aren't serialized and have no paperwork to prove they were made pre-81 so basically, you're fucked if caught with one because you can't prove it was made pre-81.
These laws are pretty ******* silly if you ask me.
Go Go Gadget fucktards.BTW, if you don't have it - get it! Bet dam info cd I've had for the past 5 or more years... suprised the ATF hasn't made it a NFA "item" requiring a tax stamp - fucktards...
http://www.quarterbore.com/store/cd/ar15m16.htm
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10-17-2011, 12:41 AM
#824
Got a new gun tonight (have not shot it yet). Ruger P90 .45ACP 7+1
(stock picture):
Wikipedia:
The Ruger P series are a line of centerfire semi-automatic pistols made by Sturm, Ruger & Company. The P series pistols were designed for military, police, civilian self defense and recreational use. The designs are largely based on the Browning action found in the M1911 pistol, but with minor variations, generally related to the safety mechanism and the barrel-camblock interface. Reviews have considered them rugged, reliable, and strong, though this strength comes at the price of bulk and a blocky appearance.
(stock picture):
Wikipedia:
The Ruger P series are a line of centerfire semi-automatic pistols made by Sturm, Ruger & Company. The P series pistols were designed for military, police, civilian self defense and recreational use. The designs are largely based on the Browning action found in the M1911 pistol, but with minor variations, generally related to the safety mechanism and the barrel-camblock interface. Reviews have considered them rugged, reliable, and strong, though this strength comes at the price of bulk and a blocky appearance.
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By my English that isn't fixed OR detachable!
10-17-2011, 03:03 PM
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AR based, 11.5" barrel, no NFA stamp because... pistol?
http://www.guns.com/video-franklin-a...-required.html
Its not an AOW, its not a SBR, it's a 'firearm'
Though while I personally question the ballistics of a 5.56 (or 7.62, or .450BM...) fired out of a 11.5" barrel, this just looks insane. Franklin built my lower and they are about a 30 minute drive down hwy 101 from my place. I should go pay them a visit.
http://www.guns.com/video-franklin-a...-required.html
Really, the thing that makes it stand out isn't its furniture, it's how expertly it threads the legal needle.
There are three things that make it neither pistol nor rifle nor any other weapon (AOW). First, it has a forward pistol grip. This means that it is not intended to be fired single-handedly (FPS Russia notwithstanding). The reason it's not a short-barreled rifle (SBR) is that overall, the firearm's length is still over 26 inches with its buffer tube extension and and not concealable by ATF standards. They liken it to the Thompson Model 1927-A5 which also has a short barrel. But the barrel slides in at 11.5 inches, which brings it in under the AOW standard of having a 12-inch or longer barrel with an overall length of less than 26 inches.
There are three things that make it neither pistol nor rifle nor any other weapon (AOW). First, it has a forward pistol grip. This means that it is not intended to be fired single-handedly (FPS Russia notwithstanding). The reason it's not a short-barreled rifle (SBR) is that overall, the firearm's length is still over 26 inches with its buffer tube extension and and not concealable by ATF standards. They liken it to the Thompson Model 1927-A5 which also has a short barrel. But the barrel slides in at 11.5 inches, which brings it in under the AOW standard of having a 12-inch or longer barrel with an overall length of less than 26 inches.
Franklin Armory is playing it safe with their padded buffer tube, but a cursory read of the law indicates that it should be legal to put a real stock on it provided it doesn't shorten the length of the firearm to under 26 inches:
"TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 44, § 921, Definition (8) The term 'short-barreled rifle' means a rifle having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length and any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if such weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches."
But we're not lawyers so would anyone like to confirm or deny this for us?
"TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 44, § 921, Definition (8) The term 'short-barreled rifle' means a rifle having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length and any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if such weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches."
But we're not lawyers so would anyone like to confirm or deny this for us?
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10-17-2011, 04:30 PM
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What does that do that the Kel-Tec PLR-16 doesn't?
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/plr-16/
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/plr-16/
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10-17-2011, 05:41 PM
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+1.
http://counterstrikefox.freeservers.com/mv.htm
Can't verify the validity of the source, but there ya go.
Remember when I asked about the M1A earlier? I have no desire to own this Franklin beast, I just think its an interesting interpretation of the law. One of my shoulder surfing co-workers now wants one. Apparently he has significant fear of the 'zombie apocalypse' and sees this as a 'good investment'
I'm honestly not sure how I feel about all these 'zombie enthusiasts' getting into the hobby. I appreciate the growth of the shooting sports hobby in general, just not sure these are the people I want to share the range with.
http://counterstrikefox.freeservers.com/mv.htm
As one can see from the table, anything under 10" in length will not provide enough muzzle velocity to attain the best wounding capabilities of the 5.56x45 projectile. Anything lower, and the bullet will make a .22 caliber hole through the target, with relatively insignificant wound ballistics.
Remember when I asked about the M1A earlier? I have no desire to own this Franklin beast, I just think its an interesting interpretation of the law. One of my shoulder surfing co-workers now wants one. Apparently he has significant fear of the 'zombie apocalypse' and sees this as a 'good investment'
I'm honestly not sure how I feel about all these 'zombie enthusiasts' getting into the hobby. I appreciate the growth of the shooting sports hobby in general, just not sure these are the people I want to share the range with.
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