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Old 03-09-2012, 01:48 PM   #1781
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I have a Remmington bolt action in 7mm Rem mag. Stainless with composite stock. Has a 9x scope on it which is silver to match. Has had less than 100 rounds through it.

Can someone give me an approximate value for it? Has about 100 rounds of brass, 500 bullets and a reloading die to go with it. I also have about 25 rounds of ammo in a small plastic ammo case.
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I'm looking to get a high accuracy target rifle for recreation, and currently looking at the Savage 10 Precision
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/m...ECISIONCARBINE

It's available in a .223, .300, and .308.

My first question is, what range advantage will the 300/308 have over the 223?

I would love to be able to shoot accurately at 800-1000 yards, but there's a pretty huge price difference in ammunition when you jump up from the 223 to the 308. The 300BCK rounds seem like they might be a decent compromise between the two - power and range near a .308 at half the cost?

Unfortunately, I haven't been around firearms enough to know about pricing, distance, and accuracy of rounds. I know that I can group on a midget sized target at 300 yards with iron sights using a .223 (In the form of 5.56mm NATO) at no cost to me (I'm military), but I want to group on a silver dollar at that range, scoped. I would also like to be able to hit targets at 500/800m, and a system that I can count on at 1km is a very intriguing idea to me, though I'm not sure how realistic it is for my price range/use. Does anyone have an opinion of the Savage 10, or expectations for price/performance on ammo? I know the 300BCK is a relatively new round, what expectation should I have that it will still be manufactured in 10 years?
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What gives? Are they that high of demand? It seems like a cheap POS of a gun to me...
I guess people like the idea of a rifle that shoots a pistol round out of the same magazine that you use in your pistol, and folds up. The hi point carbine 995 is a similar concept if your interested.
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I guess people like the idea of a rifle that shoots a pistol round out of the same magazine that you use in your pistol, and folds up. The hi point carbine 995 is a similar concept if your interested.
^Keltec seems to make good on the niche market... make something you never thought about and get you to want one.

Their PMR30 that is a 30rd 22mag semi-auto pistol... what a great freaking idea. I don't know why, but I love the thought of one. Their rifles are the same way in that nobody really makes anything like them and they've managed to keep the price down.

I like the Sub2k because it's simple. Sure, you can mod one with enough money that you could have a decent AR, but with just a 33rd mag and the stock iron sights, it's a helluva HD tool, or a truck-gun, or a toy, or a loaner, or a camping gun... it kinda does everything.

CDNN has them in their PDF for $299, but I don't know if they have any in stock. I will own one someday... still can't decide if I want 9mm or .40... might depend on what Glock I end up wanting.

You can configure to your hearts content... check out the KTOG Sub2k picture forum:
http://www.thektog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=231168

And of course, there's always this:


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Old 03-09-2012, 05:28 PM   #1785
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Kel Tec seems to make a lot of cool/odd guns


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Kel Tec seems to make nothing but cool/odd guns
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Fooger: Are you looking to kill things at 800-1000yds or just poke holes in paper?

I would recommend against .223/5.56 at those ranges in either situation, unless people have started doing amazing things with 75gr SMKs that I'm unaware of. Take a look at what the military uses for that same application, or the Camp Perry folks.

The .223/5.56, .308, .30-06 are old but prolific. Take a look at the availability of the WSM and WSSM commercial loadings, or brass for that matter. These were hot ballistic ---- not that long ago, where are they now? If you want to get into handloading this may not matter to you, but I'm glad I'm not stuck trying to find ammo for a .32-40 Winchester '94 or something.

I have an Savage Model 12 FVSS-LMNOPwhatever (synthetic, stainless, heavy fluted barrel) in .223 that I've been using for years to kill squirrels. Its highly accurate if I do my part. I'm not sure I would trust the ballistics of the 50gr Noslers I shoot out past 400/500yds, but YMMV.

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I'm looking to get a high accuracy target rifle for recreation, and currently looking at the Savage 10 Precision
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/m...ECISIONCARBINE

It's available in a .223, .300, and .308.

My first question is, what range advantage will the 300/308 have over the 223?

I would love to be able to shoot accurately at 800-1000 yards, but there's a pretty huge price difference in ammunition when you jump up from the 223 to the 308. The 300BCK rounds seem like they might be a decent compromise between the two - power and range near a .308 at half the cost?

Unfortunately, I haven't been around firearms enough to know about pricing, distance, and accuracy of rounds. I know that I can group on a midget sized target at 300 yards with iron sights using a .223 (In the form of 5.56mm NATO) at no cost to me (I'm military), but I want to group on a silver dollar at that range, scoped. I would also like to be able to hit targets at 500/800m, and a system that I can count on at 1km is a very intriguing idea to me, though I'm not sure how realistic it is for my price range/use. Does anyone have an opinion of the Savage 10, or expectations for price/performance on ammo? I know the 300BCK is a relatively new round, what expectation should I have that it will still be manufactured in 10 years?
What type of gun do you have or have in mind?
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Someone school me on DuraCoat and/or DuraBake. Any experiences?
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Old 03-09-2012, 07:35 PM   #1791
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Buddy of mine just picked up an M1 Garand at Camp Perry, and I've been wanting a long range target rifle for years - basically since I fired another friend's Savage Tactical Police rifle several years back, and then my uncles 22-250 target rifle. My buddy may be going back up to Camp Perry next week, and I might tag along with him to see what they've got apart from the few new advertised rifles and racks of M1s. Right now, I'm leaning toward the Savage 10 Precision in the 300 AAC BLACKOUT chamber, but don't know if that's a smart move or a dumb move. My realistic goal is to be able to pick off critters in a farm-field. I have zero expectation that there will ever be another human at the business end. A .223 round is plenty big enough to injure a racoon/groundhog, but if I can't reach out and touch him, I might as well not shoot at all - which is the primary reason for my consideration of the larger rounds. Conversly, if rounds are $4 a pop, I'll never shoot enough rounds through it to be any good with it. I figure I'll also be searching armslist in case something comes up that I can't pass on.

When I was a kid, my dad and I went hunting with a friend. We were walking through a field when our friend saw an animal. He couldn't even determine *exactly* what kind of animal it was through his scope. Hell, I didn't even see an animal...but he leaned up against a nearby telephone pole to steady himself, took him about 15 seconds to squeeze the trigger, then he said "I think I got him". We started walking in the direction he shot for what seemed like forever (you know how time seems to go soo much slower when you were a kid) realistically, we probably only walked 5 or 600 yards into the middle of this open field. Sure as ----, he killed himself a groundhog. I think that's where my original idealization of a long range target rifle came from.
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What do you gays think of a Kel Tec PF-9? It's $200 cheaper than the CZ I want, its available rather than a pink unicorn, and I need another gun...bad.
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Hard to go wrong with an M1 Garand, be prepared to pay out the *** for one. They're not plinking rifles, and I've never fired one with anything other than iron sights. Since my vision sucks unless it's a deer size target at 100 meters or less I'm not going to hit it with irons. Supposedly they're designed to be effective out to 700+ meters which the cartridge wouldn't have any problem accomplishing.

.223/5.56 will take down any varmint and some slightly larger game but don't count on taking anything larger than a small child at any great distance. For the most part it's a pretty good compromise in accuracy, killing power, effective range, and cost. Purely my opinion and from my experiences. My varmint shooting is typically done with a .17hmr or .223, just wish I could reload the damn .17hmr because they're NOT cheap rounds! Box of 50 for 14 bucks! They'll ---- up a squirrel or rabbit something else though.


Here's my old Marine buddy shooting his M1



A good "compromise" round for power vs cost IMO is a .308 and you can pickup a savage 308 or entry level Rem700 for around $450.
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What do you gays think of a Kel Tec PF-9? It's $200 cheaper than the CZ I want, its available rather than a pink unicorn, and I need another gun...bad.
I carry one every day. It goes bang every time I pull the trigger. Wish it had more magazine capacity, and that magazines were easier to come by........



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What do you gays think of a Kel Tec PF-9? It's $200 cheaper than the CZ I want, its available rather than a pink unicorn, and I need another gun...bad.


What are you going to do with this gun? If you already have a gun for C&C then maybe it be fun to get something "different". Shooting my dads S&W .357 revolver was pretty fun if thats what your looking for.
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What are you going to do with this gun? If you already have a gun for C&C then maybe it be fun to get something "different". Shooting my dads S&W .357 revolver was pretty fun if thats what your looking for.
Well... a PF9 isn't a "plinking" type pistol IMO...
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What are you going to do with this gun? If you already have a gun for C&C then maybe it be fun to get something "different". Shooting my dads S&W .357 revolver was pretty fun if thats what your looking for.
This will be a CHL carry gun for my GF for the time being, until she get a gun for herself. I'm either giving her my M&P9L for the night-stand or the next gun.

I'm also entertaining the idea of an AR considering political realities.
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I'd totes get an AR, but the M&P9L looks really cool too.
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Unsurprising........ A SCSI hard drive doesn't stand up very well against 60gr steel core Jacketed hollow points. #8 shot didn't really do ---- in the grand scheme, aside throw it 30 feet away from where it was. Physics is awesome.







Hit the effing thing DEAD CENTER in the read head magnet. Blew the first magnet into dust then the bullet flattened out against the second magnet..
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I've got a PF9 out in the case... brand new, haven't even fired it yet. After all the homework, it was really the only thing available like it. Being a single-stack, it's thin... very thin. DAO and 9mm were the other selling points. I read on KTOG for weeks... they can have problems. I'd say 95% of people have ZERO issues with them, but the other 5% end up sending them back... and of course, all 5% of those people are on KTOG. If you put a couple hundred rounds through it with no issues, then you're good to go.

There are a couple rough edges inside the slide they say are mandatory so sand down a little, and everybody recommends polishing the feed-ramp with a dremel. Also, I'd put a couple boxes of whatever your SD ammo of choice is through it before I'd trust it. But to make it easy, Golden Saber JHP's seem to be the round of choice.
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