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Old 03-13-2012, 10:59 AM   #1821
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Old 03-13-2012, 11:01 AM   #1822
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How the hell is it that there are bullet holes on the ceiling not a foot in front of where people are shooting?
It's from the idiots who don't actually know anything about guns... We have a new high tech shooting range up here and there some scary shots in the ceiling..

The 3rd time I went there It was kindy empty I had the far left lane and 3 lanes over was a couple shooting for the first time. We both had our targets down range and I was loading up some mags and I over heard the woman ask why there wasn't anything hitting her target.... I looked at my target as she was shooting and was watching her hit my target... I packed up and left after that for my own safety.

The last time I went there a young adult(maybe 18-19) was shooting his 1911 in the lane next to me. I was watching him put some rounds down range and was doing pretty good. I walked back to the bench to grab more boxes of ammo and I see him pointing the gun at the ceiling right above him while he was trying to bring the target back in... Next thing I hear is him say "oh ----" and look and he shot the ceiling.. He was quickly told to leave but how dumb do you have to be to do that?
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After a couple months of EVERYBODY being out of EVERYTHING in the sub $400 complete upper category, I've decided to take a chance on SOTA. I called them on the phone and they were great. Dude sounded like he was straight out of the movie Fargo... definitely a "native" of the north. He answered all of my questions and was very congenial.

I'm sending off cash for their A125 .223/5.56 complete upper. It's $370 shipped. He quoted me a 2-week shipping timeline which is exactly what I've heard from other buyers. I explained that I didn't actually want it shipped until May 1st (going on det for whole month of April), and he said to just put a note along with my check and they'd set one aside.

I'm headed out now to pick up my NFA lower so at least I'll be able to put up some pics of that later.

Here's a guy at ar15.com who has the upper I'm buying:
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Old 03-20-2012, 12:52 PM   #1826
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I'm headed out now to pick up my NFA lower so at least I'll be able to put up some pics of that later.
NFA lower? Wut? You building an SBR?
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Old 03-20-2012, 03:37 PM   #1827
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Sorry... New Frontier Armory... the latest craze in polymer lowers. $95 shipped.
I'll take some close-ups when I get home.
http://newfrontierarmory.com/catalog...ducts_id=34089
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Sorry... New Frontier Armory... the latest craze in polymer lowers. $95 shipped.
I'll take some close-ups when I get home.
http://newfrontierarmory.com/catalog...ducts_id=34089


Gotchya. Curious on the quality.. The trigger group on the PlumbCrazy lowers sucks, otherwise they seem pretty solid.
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sorry for the newb ? but i'm curious what other parts are really needed then to make an ar15?
i looked at those 2 sites you just put up (samnavy) sota and nfa
you're at $379- $4something for a "complete" upper (depending on how fancy you want to get) and then $99 for the lower - granted most folks would want a scope and you would need some mags...
is that really all you need? are all the parts in the upper for it to function out of the box?
if so - i'm also really curious to see how this combo goes for you, because i may pick up these parts and put together one myself...
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You'd probably be better off with the Savage target rifle model or one of the varmit models.
For 1000 yrd shots they can be made with .308 but it isn't ideal. .300WM has good ballistics but recoil isn't ideal and it isn't real pleasant to shoot all day.
Your best bet would be .243(great ballistics not so great barrel life) or one of the 6.5mm cartridges-.260 rem, 6.5x47 lapua or 6.5 creedmore. Each has slight +/- but are relatively similar. The have less recoil than the .308 and ammo is pretty available for all of them. I believe you can get a Savage rifle in any of them. If you want to shoot long range I would probably go for a longer barrel like 26". For regular 800-1000yrd shots your scope would be just as important don't skimp there though there is plenty of good glass that isn't too expensive out there. Not to mention ballistics on your loads, ranging. That's just the equipment learning to call the wind and shooting mechanics skills are even more important.
Savage is a good rifle/action to start with and not spend an incredible amount up front



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I'm looking to get a high accuracy target rifle for recreation, and currently looking at the Savage 10 Precision
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/m...ECISIONCARBINE

It's available in a .223, .300, and .308.

My first question is, what range advantage will the 300/308 have over the 223?

I would love to be able to shoot accurately at 800-1000 yards, but there's a pretty huge price difference in ammunition when you jump up from the 223 to the 308. The 300BCK rounds seem like they might be a decent compromise between the two - power and range near a .308 at half the cost?

Unfortunately, I haven't been around firearms enough to know about pricing, distance, and accuracy of rounds. I know that I can group on a midget sized target at 300 yards with iron sights using a .223 (In the form of 5.56mm NATO) at no cost to me (I'm military), but I want to group on a silver dollar at that range, scoped. I would also like to be able to hit targets at 500/800m, and a system that I can count on at 1km is a very intriguing idea to me, though I'm not sure how realistic it is for my price range/use. Does anyone have an opinion of the Savage 10, or expectations for price/performance on ammo? I know the 300BCK is a relatively new round, what expectation should I have that it will still be manufactured in 10 years?
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Got a call from my brother on Sunday who is at Marine Combat Training, he said he got to shoot an M249, M249 Bravo, M203, his standard rifle, and he got to throw a grenade too. I think he got to shoot some sort of rocket launcher too, but IIRC it shoots rounds without explosives or duds or something.

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sorry for the newb ? but i'm curious what other parts are really needed then to make an ar15?
i looked at those 2 sites you just put up (samnavy) sota and nfa
you're at $379- $4something for a "complete" upper (depending on how fancy you want to get) and then $99 for the lower - granted most folks would want a scope and you would need some mags...
is that really all you need? are all the parts in the upper for it to function out of the box?
if so - i'm also really curious to see how this combo goes for you, because i may pick up these parts and put together one myself...

This really depends on what you're wanting to do with it. Do you just want a really inexpensive .223 carbine? Self Defense? Dual Purpose hunting? Long range accuracy? Large caliber?
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Got a call from my brother on Sunday who is at Marine Combat Training, he said he got to shoot an M249, M249 Bravo, M203, his standard rifle, and he got to throw a grenade too. I think he got to shoot some sort of rocket launcher too, but IIRC it shoots rounds without explosives or duds or something.

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rockets are way expensive, so they shoot propelled chunks of aluminum... still pretty badass, while I was at a qualifier for the AF, I got a chance to shoot the line up of badassery, the 249, one shot from the m320, and barrett .50... imo the .50 sucks, it ------- hurts.
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This really depends on what you're wanting to do with it. Do you just want a really inexpensive .223 carbine? Self Defense? Dual Purpose hunting? Long range accuracy? Large caliber?
basically the first one

i have a glock 19 for self defense & i have a 12gauge - mossberg 500 tactical

lately i've been testing the limits of just how far away i can hit things w/ my mossberg just using a cheap red dot & 2&3/4 rifled slugs - i feel like i'm pretty accurate at 75 feet or so and even decent over 100 feet

i'm definitely no hunter - i just like shooting and i wouldn't want a weapon that would not be dependable...
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75 feet? You mean yards? I can hit a tin can sized target with my bow at 25 yards pretty consistantly.
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This really depends on what you're wanting to do with it. Do you just want a really inexpensive .223 carbine? Self Defense? Dual Purpose hunting? Long range accuracy? Large caliber?
Exactly.

The NFA Lower is "COMPLETE" as in fully complete. I've noticed during my AR homework that when something is advertised as "complete", you still need to read the fine print. I see LOTS of "complete upper's" that are still missing the BCG or Charging Handle which will be another $125 or so.

What I wanted was a toy. This gun will be a noise-maker and nothing more... something to get me into a "black rifle" as cheaply as possible. I don't expect MOA accuracy from this gun, but fist-sized groups at 200yds would be nice

The NFA Lower Receiver is as fully complete as they come... it was $95 from JoeBobOutfitters after my 5% military discount. The next cheapest fully complete lowers you can buy are PlumCrazy and are also polymer. You can piece and match parts to make a fully complete lower starting with a metal stripped lower for around $150 buying closeout parts or scoring big... but the sweet stuff usually starts in the $250 range with 2-stage triggers and dual-side mag releases and a hundred other things.

The SOTA upper is also fully complete with BCG, Charging Handle, Forward Assist, and dust cover... $369.99 complete. Right now, I don't think there is a single .223 fully complete upper receiver for sale online and IN STOCK for under $450... I think the cheapest I've seen in the past week is $489... a Spikes Tactical. Let me know if you find something as I'm keeping track.

I was specifically looking for an upper with a single-rail gas block as I don't intend to put iron sights on this gun anytime soon. I'm also looking at low-end red-dots in the sub-$100 range... Bushnell TRS-125 or Primary Arms probably.

So...
NFA Lower: $94.99
SOTA Upper: $369.99
PMAG: $14
PA 30mm: $79
TOTAL: $558

You can subtract about $30 if you went with a cheap set of iron sights instead of the reddot, which makes about $525.

OOPS... Look what I just found. DPMS Oracle slickside $399 from Midway...
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/416...ck-flash-hider
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75 feet? You mean yards? I can hit a tin can sized target with my bow at 25 yards pretty consistantly.
yeah i'm talking about a smooth bore shotgun shooting rifled slugs with a pretty short barrel - not exactly setting distance records with stuff like that - i believe they travel around 1000 or 1100 feet per second -
only rifled barrel shotguns shooting sabot slugs can do the big distances

honestly i'm pretty new to shooting - the indoor range i go to is 75 feet at the back of the range - another fop range i like to visit goes back quite a bit further and i'm just starting to get decent hitting stuff with the slugs and a red dot

i have no dreams of being a marksman - i would just like to have something that's fires a faster projectile and hit some things at real distance with

i like what samnavy is talking about....
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Midway still has the DPMS Oracle A3 on sale for $372.99, even though it's on backorder it'll ship eventually.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/513...ck-flash-hider


My latest build was a simple recipe which turned out to be a very light and very cheap rifle:

DSA ZM-4 Upper: $255 shipped
PC-15 Complete Lower: $99
FailZero Nickel Boron BCG & NB Hammer: $0.00
DPMS Charging Handle: $10 (used)

That's pretty much a complete rifle that goes bang. Extras:

PrimaryArms M4 RedDot: $60 (Used like new)
FagPul plastic POS rear sight: $0.00 (friend gave it to me because it's a POS)
ACE Skeleton Buttstock: $64.99
A2 Receiver Extension tube: $15.99
Rifle length Buffer spring: $3.99
DPMS Carbine Buffer: $9.99
Hogue Overmolded Grip: $16.99

Basically built a rock solid rifle for $535.95 not counting the MATECH BUIS I just ordered to replace that piece of plastic trash magpul sight. If I really wanted to a few dollars could be recovered by selling that POS collapsible stock/buffer tube/buffer/spring which was removed from the lower. Admittedly the average Joe would need to tack on an additional $200 or so for the BCG I was given for "testing" purposes, or you could pickup a run of the mill park'd one for around $100.. Another aspect I was going for is an ultralite carbine which was achieved without the red dot, believe it weighed at 4.72 pounds compared to my DPMS 20" Bull rifle that's about 13 pounds.

Have run almost 1k rounds through this rifle now of the shittiest Russian ammo I can find without a single hiccup. My cleaning method includes removing the BCG and wiping off with a cloth.
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Got a call from my brother on Sunday who is at Marine Combat Training, he said he got to shoot an M249, M249 Bravo, M203, his standard rifle, and he got to throw a grenade too. I think he got to shoot some sort of rocket launcher too, but IIRC it shoots rounds without explosives or duds or something.

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If (probably) he's shooting the AT4 trainer it's just a 9mm round with a tracer. I've got video of my wife firing it somewhere. I still loved shooting 240b's all day long. The fun days we're teaching the big classes with 5+ of them all going off at once. Music.
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If (probably) he's shooting the AT4 trainer it's just a 9mm round with a tracer. I've got video of my wife firing it somewhere. I still loved shooting 240b's all day long. The fun days we're teaching the big classes with 5+ of them all going off at once. Music.
Teaching MCT would be awesome. I would never want to be a drill instructor for more then a week but teaching something like MCT or a MOS school would be really cool.
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