Can't connect to MS after going MS-1 to MS-II
#101
Assuming the MAP was hooked up, and the wiring all correct? As ususual, check all the sensors, simple stuff you might have pulled like spark plug boots. Generally a glance at "real time tuning" tells you something, battery voltage or water temp or something will be stupid.
Then, check for RPM, and finally pulsewidth. Shouldn't take too long.
Then, check for RPM, and finally pulsewidth. Shouldn't take too long.
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So last night I hooked up the laptop and tried to start it and everything looked fine, but no start. Sounded like it wanted to, but seemed like it kep flooding out.
About 2 hours ago I pulled just the MS, took the case apart and gave the board a visual. I didn't see any traces that were burnt, so I checked with the meter...everything was ok. I figured I'd plug it back in and try it again, it if it did the same thing, I'll pull the PNP board. I plugged the MS in just now, plugged only the DB37 and the MAP line in, and gave it a few cranks. First on ignition turn on, it did that infamous MS-1 pop, (which I found kinda weird since I'm on MS-II now), but like I said it did seem flooded. Anyway, I cranked it for about 3 seconds and it fired right off! I never touched the gas pedal once, I left it warm up and it idled about 1000RPM, then I reved it a bit, then shut it off. Unreal. Hey, it runs so F*$% it, right? It's staying here tonight, but maybe tomorrow I can get a good tune on it. So now someone should convince me to buy that PWM converter board...
About 2 hours ago I pulled just the MS, took the case apart and gave the board a visual. I didn't see any traces that were burnt, so I checked with the meter...everything was ok. I figured I'd plug it back in and try it again, it if it did the same thing, I'll pull the PNP board. I plugged the MS in just now, plugged only the DB37 and the MAP line in, and gave it a few cranks. First on ignition turn on, it did that infamous MS-1 pop, (which I found kinda weird since I'm on MS-II now), but like I said it did seem flooded. Anyway, I cranked it for about 3 seconds and it fired right off! I never touched the gas pedal once, I left it warm up and it idled about 1000RPM, then I reved it a bit, then shut it off. Unreal. Hey, it runs so F*$% it, right? It's staying here tonight, but maybe tomorrow I can get a good tune on it. So now someone should convince me to buy that PWM converter board...
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I don't have A/C, and I have the stock stereo. This might not be something I feel necessary in my project. As for my MS-II and PNP setup:
I drove the car last night...I didn't notice any kicks like I was having before, I took it to 7psi and it ran pretty well.
My idle on the other hand BLOWS. If I am in a parking lot it'll idle at 1400RPM. Now like I said previously, I didn't make any changes to my .msq after swapping that transistor and those caps.
Also on startup, right when it fires, the RPM's rev to like 2,000 RPM and then they settle down to like 1,000.
The final issue I notice I think is fault of my laptop. During a drive / datalog session, tuner studio will kinda freeze up, and then after like 60 seconds it'll come back to life, but the AFR's will be off. Like I said I think this is an issue with my laptop. Maybe I'll try MT and see if it still does it.
So aside from my idle, and the mild startup issue, my little Miata runs pretty good!
I drove the car last night...I didn't notice any kicks like I was having before, I took it to 7psi and it ran pretty well.
My idle on the other hand BLOWS. If I am in a parking lot it'll idle at 1400RPM. Now like I said previously, I didn't make any changes to my .msq after swapping that transistor and those caps.
Also on startup, right when it fires, the RPM's rev to like 2,000 RPM and then they settle down to like 1,000.
The final issue I notice I think is fault of my laptop. During a drive / datalog session, tuner studio will kinda freeze up, and then after like 60 seconds it'll come back to life, but the AFR's will be off. Like I said I think this is an issue with my laptop. Maybe I'll try MT and see if it still does it.
So aside from my idle, and the mild startup issue, my little Miata runs pretty good!
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Drove the car today and datalogged with MT. The AFR's are still off though, I check configurator and it is set correctly, but the LC-1 gauge on my dash is different than the AFR gauge on MT. Perhaps I need to recalibrate the LC-1? If I try to connect to the LC1 controller, it won't let me. Maybe I need to slow my COM settings in Device manager back down to 9600?
Also, the car did 1 little flicker again while driving it. I was datalogging with MT and it never crashed like TS would. I can't find the little spike in the log though, and it never showed up as even a reset....I uploaded my log and .msq.
home2town.xls
loaded.msq
Also, the car did 1 little flicker again while driving it. I was datalogging with MT and it never crashed like TS would. I can't find the little spike in the log though, and it never showed up as even a reset....I uploaded my log and .msq.
home2town.xls
loaded.msq
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Dont know about the LC-1 issue. You know, strangely enough, I haven't had any of those hicks lately, maybe the occasional 1 or 2, but not to the point where it gets on my nerves. Im pretty content with how its running, but im still trying to figure out the idle control settings.
Never had TS crash on me before while running.
Never had TS crash on me before while running.
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I only noticed 1 hick, and that was yesterday while I was datalogging. I drove it about 100 miles after that and didn't notice anything. I think the car runs pretty good though, I just have to straighten out the high idle issue and make some fuel changes.
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I plugged the MS in just now, plugged only the DB37 and the MAP line in, and gave it a few cranks. First on ignition turn on, it did that infamous MS-1 pop, (which I found kinda weird since I'm on MS-II now), but like I said it did seem flooded. Anyway, I cranked it for about 3 seconds and it fired right off! I never touched the gas pedal once, I left it warm up and it idled about 1000RPM, then I reved it a bit, then shut it off. Unreal. Hey, it runs so F*$% it, right? It's staying here tonight, but maybe tomorrow I can get a good tune on it. So now someone should convince me to buy that PWM converter board...
My idle on the other hand BLOWS. If I am in a parking lot it'll idle at 1400RPM. Now like I said previously, I didn't make any changes to my .msq after swapping that transistor and those caps.
Also on startup, right when it fires, the RPM's rev to like 2,000 RPM and then they settle down to like 1,000.
Also on startup, right when it fires, the RPM's rev to like 2,000 RPM and then they settle down to like 1,000.
If you've been tweaking the fuel or spark maps, it might idle higher, or with the fans or vents on and off it'll effect it (though not that much). More of a description of what you're seeing, maybe?
The final issue I notice I think is fault of my laptop. During a drive / datalog session, tuner studio will kinda freeze up, and then after like 60 seconds it'll come back to life, but the AFR's will be off. Like I said I think this is an issue with my laptop. Maybe I'll try MT and see if it still does it.
So aside from my idle, and the mild startup issue, my little Miata runs pretty good!
So aside from my idle, and the mild startup issue, my little Miata runs pretty good!
Drove the car today and datalogged with MT. The AFR's are still off though, I check configurator and it is set correctly, but the LC-1 gauge on my dash is different than the AFR gauge on MT. Perhaps I need to recalibrate the LC-1? If I try to connect to the LC1 controller, it won't let me. Maybe I need to slow my COM settings in Device manager back down to 9600?
Also, I've had my LC-1 act funny, and I reflashed it, and it came back. But I wasn't seeing what you're seeing.
Don't set it for 9600, the MS-II doesn't run there. That's NOT the problem.
Also, the car did 1 little flicker again while driving it. I was datalogging with MT and it never crashed like TS would. I can't find the little spike in the log though, and it never showed up as even a reset....I uploaded my log and .msq.
Dont know about the LC-1 issue. You know, strangely enough, I haven't had any of those hicks lately, maybe the occasional 1 or 2, but not to the point where it gets on my nerves. Im pretty content with how its running, but im still trying to figure out the idle control settings.
Never had TS crash on me before while running.
Never had TS crash on me before while running.
I'd like to know why it didn't start that one time. Getting the idle lower is EASY and takes like 25 seconds of work, edit the PWM Duty Table, make it lower. Done.
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uhg. I can't get over this. This idle thing. It's a "PID" controller that isn't "proportional" to the error.
I'd love to see numbers that work. So far, all I've been able to get it to do is come close to stalling and only actually stall occasionally, and only "hang" at 1500 or 2000 RPM rarely, etc. The PWM-warmup is always within 50 rpm of my "target", and it'll pull me up hills and in traffic in any gear all the time. All I want is a tinsy bit more valve opening when I'm idling low, and a little bit less when I'm idling high, by an amount proportional to the error...
I've gotten it to almost work, but never to work.
I'd love to see numbers that work. So far, all I've been able to get it to do is come close to stalling and only actually stall occasionally, and only "hang" at 1500 or 2000 RPM rarely, etc. The PWM-warmup is always within 50 rpm of my "target", and it'll pull me up hills and in traffic in any gear all the time. All I want is a tinsy bit more valve opening when I'm idling low, and a little bit less when I'm idling high, by an amount proportional to the error...
I've gotten it to almost work, but never to work.
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Alright, I'll break this all down in this one little reply so were are up to date with how I feel about my car and the PNP board / MS-II.
1) My hick ups are pretty much gone. I only noticed them twice since I swapped the capacitors, and it never did it in boost since.
2) During the day time my battery light is dimly lit, but in daylight I don't really notice it. I drive home from work at night though, and I notice it's on then. I'm over it, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still there.
3) My car idles between 1100 and 1400 RPM, I will make some changes to my PWM settings and work on fixing this.
4) The day I put the MS back in and my car didn't start...I smelled gas like it was flooding out. It was super cold in my garage, like 30 degrees, I think maybe the cranking pulsewidth settings had something to do with this, cause when it's nearly 60* in the garage, it starts up fine. Again, something I'd have to tinker with.
5) The wideband reading issue: I will set MT or TS (whatever I decide to use) to WB voltage, and then I will see what happens.
That should do it for now, basically it looks like it's all a tuning issue on my end. Perhaps even a LC-1 grounding issue? I will keep messing with it, but that's all I should have for a while. Thanks again guys...
1) My hick ups are pretty much gone. I only noticed them twice since I swapped the capacitors, and it never did it in boost since.
2) During the day time my battery light is dimly lit, but in daylight I don't really notice it. I drive home from work at night though, and I notice it's on then. I'm over it, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still there.
3) My car idles between 1100 and 1400 RPM, I will make some changes to my PWM settings and work on fixing this.
4) The day I put the MS back in and my car didn't start...I smelled gas like it was flooding out. It was super cold in my garage, like 30 degrees, I think maybe the cranking pulsewidth settings had something to do with this, cause when it's nearly 60* in the garage, it starts up fine. Again, something I'd have to tinker with.
5) The wideband reading issue: I will set MT or TS (whatever I decide to use) to WB voltage, and then I will see what happens.
That should do it for now, basically it looks like it's all a tuning issue on my end. Perhaps even a LC-1 grounding issue? I will keep messing with it, but that's all I should have for a while. Thanks again guys...
#113
:-) Thanks for the update.
Yeah, it's not the injector characteristics (though voltage dependence might be an issue, if its cold and the battery were low), but there is priming pulse, ASE, and idle valve position. Between all of those, you should be able to get it running like a top.
Admittedly, all my testing is in San Diego where the only way to see frozen water is by opening your beer cooler.
The idle should be trivial to fix, and, its totally reversible. In MT, just cursor left and right until you're on the dot closest to the realtime position (green bar, I think), and hit shift-up or shift-down arrow to tweak the valve position. You'll be idling where you want in no time.
Soon, but not super soon, I'm going to mess with trying to make an RPM or idle position adder based either on an input or...? Something sensible.
Yeah, it's not the injector characteristics (though voltage dependence might be an issue, if its cold and the battery were low), but there is priming pulse, ASE, and idle valve position. Between all of those, you should be able to get it running like a top.
Admittedly, all my testing is in San Diego where the only way to see frozen water is by opening your beer cooler.
The idle should be trivial to fix, and, its totally reversible. In MT, just cursor left and right until you're on the dot closest to the realtime position (green bar, I think), and hit shift-up or shift-down arrow to tweak the valve position. You'll be idling where you want in no time.
Soon, but not super soon, I'm going to mess with trying to make an RPM or idle position adder based either on an input or...? Something sensible.
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