Higher idle, higher minimum dc?
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Higher idle, higher minimum dc?
So I am running a higher idle (1100 for now, in part for alternator activation and to minimize stalling with AC), is there any harm in raising the minimum dc to match it (at stable idle I run around 28-30) is there any harm at setting the min to 27?
I'll attach a log so you can see what the idle looks like, if that helps.
Is there anything else that might go askew with the higher idle setting?
I'll attach a log so you can see what the idle looks like, if that helps.
Is there anything else that might go askew with the higher idle setting?
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And if anyone takes the time to look at my log, if you could tell me if the AFR noise is normal I would appreciate it. (the log is taken during a cruise, some 10psi points but mostly cruising)
{the car is a 91 turbo, LC-1, 550 injectors, MSPNP9093 - latest rev, 10Ghires}
{the car is a 91 turbo, LC-1, 550 injectors, MSPNP9093 - latest rev, 10Ghires}
So I am running a higher idle (1100 for now, in part for alternator activation and to minimize stalling with AC), is there any harm in raising the minimum dc to match it (at stable idle I run around 28-30) is there any harm at setting the min to 27?
I'll attach a log so you can see what the idle looks like, if that helps.
Is there anything else that might go askew with the higher idle setting?
I'll attach a log so you can see what the idle looks like, if that helps.
Is there anything else that might go askew with the higher idle setting?
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Your AFR signal in cruise looks perfectly normal to me.
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What we're doing is observing log data to find out what our actual DC is under normal warm idle, and then setting the MinDC parameter to be a point or two below this.
To understand the advantage of this, you have to think for a moment about how the idle program works. When you are at normal cruise (throttle and/or RPM above idle limits) the idle DC sits at the closed value. When you go into neutral and release the throttle, the RPMs begin to fall until the idle program activates. At that point, it starts out at the MinDC value and begins seeking a stable idle.
A lot of folks have problems with the engine wanting to stall during this time. This is caused by the fact that the idleDC is starting out at too small a value, and taking too long to work its way up to a value adequate to sustain the engine. By increasing the value of MinDC, it starts out at a value which is very close to normal, and thus prevents RPMs from dipping well below normal.
Realistically, there is no reason to have the MinDC set to a very small value. The ideal number for it is one which is as high as possible without being so high that it causes idle RPM to exceed target RPM when the engine is warm and running normally. The sweet spot is usually 1-2 points below what you observe to be the lower average value in a log of warm, closed-loop idle. IOW, if in closed-loop idle your valve typically oscillates between 26-28 (occasionally dipping to 25) then I'd use 24 or 25 as Min.
To understand the advantage of this, you have to think for a moment about how the idle program works. When you are at normal cruise (throttle and/or RPM above idle limits) the idle DC sits at the closed value. When you go into neutral and release the throttle, the RPMs begin to fall until the idle program activates. At that point, it starts out at the MinDC value and begins seeking a stable idle.
A lot of folks have problems with the engine wanting to stall during this time. This is caused by the fact that the idleDC is starting out at too small a value, and taking too long to work its way up to a value adequate to sustain the engine. By increasing the value of MinDC, it starts out at a value which is very close to normal, and thus prevents RPMs from dipping well below normal.
Realistically, there is no reason to have the MinDC set to a very small value. The ideal number for it is one which is as high as possible without being so high that it causes idle RPM to exceed target RPM when the engine is warm and running normally. The sweet spot is usually 1-2 points below what you observe to be the lower average value in a log of warm, closed-loop idle. IOW, if in closed-loop idle your valve typically oscillates between 26-28 (occasionally dipping to 25) then I'd use 24 or 25 as Min.
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