Intake Temp -40F
08-12-2007, 11:19 PM
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Thanks I thought it was the R/G @ 2P, but my diagram wasn't anywhere near as clear as yours.
So, one lead from the AIT sensor to 2P, and the other to the sensor ground (on the head, pass side, by fuel rail) should be the ticket. Or does 1 lead go to 2P, and the other to 2K? I dunnooo....
So, one lead from the AIT sensor to 2P, and the other to the sensor ground (on the head, pass side, by fuel rail) should be the ticket. Or does 1 lead go to 2P, and the other to 2K? I dunnooo....
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08-13-2007, 09:09 AM
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Hi Ben,
You should see 5 volts on pin 2P with the IAT sensor disconnected. The MSPNP sends a 5 volt signal on that line; there's a 2.49K resistor inside the MSPNP, and the IAT sensor forms the second half of a voltage divider.
So with the IAT sensor in place, you will see a somewhat lower voltage. You'll only see voltage on the red and green wire; the other wire is a ground.
Let me know what you find there; we'll get this one fixed one way or another.
You should see 5 volts on pin 2P with the IAT sensor disconnected. The MSPNP sends a 5 volt signal on that line; there's a 2.49K resistor inside the MSPNP, and the IAT sensor forms the second half of a voltage divider.
So with the IAT sensor in place, you will see a somewhat lower voltage. You'll only see voltage on the red and green wire; the other wire is a ground.
Let me know what you find there; we'll get this one fixed one way or another.
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08-13-2007, 11:28 AM
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Thanks Matt.
Today I have 4.77V at the AFM harness.
I am going to try to re-crimp those tiny little spades onto the IAT sensor wires and reconnect to the harness. Wish me luck.
Today I have 4.77V at the AFM harness.
I am going to try to re-crimp those tiny little spades onto the IAT sensor wires and reconnect to the harness. Wish me luck.
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08-13-2007, 12:28 PM
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AIT sensor works again.
All wiring believed to be good.
Problem suspected to be loose ribbon cable connector inside of MSPNP unit. It was not pushed firmly into the daughterboard. (my unit has been opened up 2 or 3 times for modifications)
I was not able to get a good crimp on one of the spades. The connection is more or less taped on now. I'll deal with it in the next few days.
All wiring believed to be good.
Problem suspected to be loose ribbon cable connector inside of MSPNP unit. It was not pushed firmly into the daughterboard. (my unit has been opened up 2 or 3 times for modifications)
I was not able to get a good crimp on one of the spades. The connection is more or less taped on now. I'll deal with it in the next few days.
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08-13-2007, 10:35 PM
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haha, then I won't tell you about my WOT pull through the gears until 6100 rpm in 5th. I was going for 7k, but I let off because w/o the undertray the front felt floaty and there was oncoming traffic.
and I also won't tell you that my ignition misfires seem to have gone away since we did some ground alterations.
all-in-all, it was a good day for the miata.
and I also won't tell you that my ignition misfires seem to have gone away since we did some ground alterations.
all-in-all, it was a good day for the miata.
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08-13-2007, 11:20 PM
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The GM sensor may or may not be a good choice, the thermistors used in the LS1's react quite slowly, you're better off buying a thermistor for $10 in the right range....
I can supply a source and part # if you need, just chop the "cage" off the GM sensor and solder in the new, then glue cage back on, done.
the one on the GTO was quite poor and the IAT->timing tune very conservative, so at a light the IAT would go up, and the thermistor wouldn't read a cooler temp until into 4th gear, making for the suck.
I can supply a source and part # if you need, just chop the "cage" off the GM sensor and solder in the new, then glue cage back on, done.
the one on the GTO was quite poor and the IAT->timing tune very conservative, so at a light the IAT would go up, and the thermistor wouldn't read a cooler temp until into 4th gear, making for the suck.
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08-13-2007, 11:27 PM
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Now someone thinks about that... I want to at least get it running off the gm sensor first. I can muck with a nicer sensor later.
I'm running one side to 2C ground (blk/lt.grn) and 2P (iat sensor).
Going outside now (at neo's prodding) to try the ground directly to chassis/motor. I'll be back in a min.
I'm running one side to 2C ground (blk/lt.grn) and 2P (iat sensor).
Going outside now (at neo's prodding) to try the ground directly to chassis/motor. I'll be back in a min.
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08-13-2007, 11:30 PM
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Now someone thinks about that... I want to at least get it running off the gm sensor first. I can muck with a nicer sensor later.
I'm running one side to 2C ground (blk/lt.grn) and 2P (iat sensor).
Going outside now (at neo's prodding) to try the ground directly to chassis/motor. I'll be back in a min.
I'm running one side to 2C ground (blk/lt.grn) and 2P (iat sensor).
Going outside now (at neo's prodding) to try the ground directly to chassis/motor. I'll be back in a min.
why not just test it with an ohm meter?
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08-14-2007, 08:14 AM
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black/green is a sensor-->motor ground. look over on the pass side, between the fuel rail and firewall. there's like 8 black/green wires between 2 bolts.
my car had some major grounding issues. we ended up running 2 extra main grounds from the MS to the motor. we also ran all the acccessories that were formerly grounded with the MS (gauges, wb controller) to the same ground point on the motor, but through their own wires.
yesterday was the first test ride, and I believe everything to now be good.
Philip, I'd be interested in that replacement thermistor. Though I don't see that type lack of response with my sensor. I was watching it with a close eye yesterday.
my car had some major grounding issues. we ended up running 2 extra main grounds from the MS to the motor. we also ran all the acccessories that were formerly grounded with the MS (gauges, wb controller) to the same ground point on the motor, but through their own wires.
yesterday was the first test ride, and I believe everything to now be good.
Philip, I'd be interested in that replacement thermistor. Though I don't see that type lack of response with my sensor. I was watching it with a close eye yesterday.
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