ms1 worth it
12-25-2012, 06:53 PM
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ms1 worth it
i have a chance to buy a ms1 v3.0 with a plug and play harness all buit for my miata for 350 shippped is that a good price? or is the ms1 no good
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12-25-2012, 07:11 PM
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The price is so-so.
The MS1 certainly isn't useless, but a lot of features have been vastly improved in the MS2 and 3, to the point where I wouldn't recommend the MS1 for new installs.
The MS1 certainly isn't useless, but a lot of features have been vastly improved in the MS2 and 3, to the point where I wouldn't recommend the MS1 for new installs.
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12-27-2012, 09:29 AM
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ok thats what i figured as diyautotune sells the ms2 kit for $268.....i didnt buy it...but for the ease of install i have been considering buying a pnp unit from the member on here who has a sticky in the fs section..do any of you have experance with him?
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12-30-2012, 09:08 AM
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$350 is too much, but... if you can get a fully built, tested and functional PNP-ready MS1 for around $200...
I'm surprised that no one mentioned you can upgrade it to an MS2. $111 daughter card and maybe some light reconfiguring and you'd be good to go.
You could even upgrade it to an MS3 if you really wanted to. $199 MS3 board plus $40 for a case. You could have an MS3 PNP for a total investment of $440 if you could pick up that MS1 for $200.
And, of course, you could make it an MS3X for another $90. Worth every penny.
As long as it's on a 3.0 board, it's NOT obsolete technology. I expect MS1's are going to start coming up dirt cheap in the near future. Will be a good opportunity for the savvy MS builder.
I'm surprised that no one mentioned you can upgrade it to an MS2. $111 daughter card and maybe some light reconfiguring and you'd be good to go.
You could even upgrade it to an MS3 if you really wanted to. $199 MS3 board plus $40 for a case. You could have an MS3 PNP for a total investment of $440 if you could pick up that MS1 for $200.
And, of course, you could make it an MS3X for another $90. Worth every penny.
As long as it's on a 3.0 board, it's NOT obsolete technology. I expect MS1's are going to start coming up dirt cheap in the near future. Will be a good opportunity for the savvy MS builder.
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12-30-2012, 11:10 AM
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no one should be building these at all these days. Even at $207 for the kit, you can make the harness for another $20-30 or so in parts.
While the MSI can work just fine on the miata, the ms2 is much better for not much more cost (when you figure a v3.0 DIY built unit with harness), and then the ms3x is EVEN better and still not much more cost.
If I was on a budget, I'd go for a ms2 on a v3.0 board and go with seq. fueling, with real closed loop code and a/c fee forward.
IIRC I was building PNP MSI units w/ait sensor for $350 shipped back in 2007.
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12-30-2012, 12:50 PM
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doesn't matter; they are antiquated.
no one should be building these at all these days. Even at $207 for the kit, you can make the harness for another $20-30 or so in parts.
While the MSI can work just fine on the miata, the ms2 is much better for not much more cost (when you figure a v3.0 DIY built unit with harness), and then the ms3x is EVEN better and still not much more cost.
If I was on a budget, I'd go for a ms2 on a v3.0 board and go with seq. fueling, with real closed loop code and a/c fee forward.
IIRC I was building PNP MSI units w/ait sensor for $350 shipped back in 2007.
no one should be building these at all these days. Even at $207 for the kit, you can make the harness for another $20-30 or so in parts.
While the MSI can work just fine on the miata, the ms2 is much better for not much more cost (when you figure a v3.0 DIY built unit with harness), and then the ms3x is EVEN better and still not much more cost.
If I was on a budget, I'd go for a ms2 on a v3.0 board and go with seq. fueling, with real closed loop code and a/c fee forward.
IIRC I was building PNP MSI units w/ait sensor for $350 shipped back in 2007.
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12-30-2012, 04:59 PM
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First, I consider someone else's assembled kit to be worth less than an unassembled kit. This is mostly a personal bias, as I prefer building them myself.
Second, and much more importantly, I would not consider the MS1 for any new install on anything more complex than a lawn mower, regardless of price. If the local pet store normally charges $100 for a live kitten, but offers a dead kitten for $5, I still would pay the extra $95 for the live kitten. $5 is $5 more than a dead kitten is worth, since regardless of the price, a dead kitten lacks the featureset of a live one. The MS2/3 are actually capable of closed-loop idle, for one thing, and that is priceless.
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