Gauging interest for my mp62 kit (NB)
09-22-2016, 12:40 AM
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Gauging interest for my mp62 kit (NB)
Gauging interest for my mp62 supercharger kit. It started life as a CARB legal kit from Moss. The CARB sticker it still on the blower outlet manifold and if you got a hold of a powercard and the correct pulley sizes, you could it it back there.
The mods I've done are listed below and we're done for more boost and better drivability.
*BRP supercharger to head bracket and custom CNC'd spacer block to accommodate...
*6 rib pulleys spaced out front of PS and AC pulleys. This means you can run both PS and AC, one or the other, or neither without looking for special belts. And if anything happens to the blower, you can simply pull the belt and wire the bypass open and it will get you home. The tensioner is a dynamic GM unit widely available from your favorite parts store.
*Dual throttles. The blower throttle is from an early 2000's Crown Vic/Mustang (70 mm?). The cable is a modified NB cable so finding a replacement would be easy, although you could probably make a ton of cables work. The intake manifold throttle is a stock NB that has been modified with a 1.6L throttle wheel (for the extra cable). I would include this throttle as well to make the "kit" as complete as possible (for NB's).
*Blower throttle adapter plate has been ported and the transition between the throttle and blower smoothed over for better flow.
*Huge Spectra air filter. The one that came with the kit is restrictive at higher than about 6psi worth of boost at see level. This filer is available at many auto part stores is you ever need another.
*3" plumbing from filter to throttle. All parts purchased from siliconeintakes.com. Again, need more flow at higher than 6psi. It has a provision for the breather on the valve cover. I ran a catch can so no oil would go through the blower, but you can plumb it straight to the valve cover.
*Pulleys... Crank is currently a 130mm from fast forward. The blower is a 62.5mm from a Honda s/c kit probably. I had to put it on a lathe and take some off the back to get the pulley alignment dead on. This combo produces about 14psi at sea level with a cobalt header that's been modified (see below). I also have a 110mm fast forward pulley that produced about 9psi or so, that will go with the kit.
*Header is a Cobalt that has the EGR and cylinder 1 O2 sensor bung taken out and plates welded over. Also, from the last collector to the flange to the is 2.5" instead of 2.25". I've smoothed the welds inside the primaries as far as I could. This head will go with the kit as I'm heading to turbo land. The header is not pretty and has a few patch jobs on it but it works fine and certainly flows better than it used to.
*Trackdog intercooler and piping. You will need to come up with your own ducting from grill mouth to it or you can buy parts from trackdog. I put a blowoff valve between the cold side pipe and intake manifold throttle to keep surge down, but I don't know that it's necessary. I will provide you a straight coupler here as I will be keeping the valve.
What you will need to get this up and running on your car that I will not proved is anything fuel related...injectors, ecu, map, ect.
What will be provided is everything you need to bolt the blower and intercooler on and plumb it. If your NB is already up and running on megasquirt and injectors, this is the easy button for boost.
The blower has about 30k miles on it with about 10k on a new nose assembly. The last nose destroyed itself when the belt touched itself on opposite belt runs. This problem has been fixed with proper belt spacing.
The rotors have normal wear. Nothing. Drastic, but some wear (which is typical).
Horsepower and torque? I don't know for sure, never been on a dyno. I've driven a 215whp Miata and it definitely pulls harder. I'd guess 230whp and 180-190 torque? It feels good, but boost addiction is real and I need more. If you're on stockish tire it's down right squirly. On my 205 rival s tires it will still blow the tires off roll on (no clutch funny business) in 1st. 2nd hooks pretty well if there is any heat in them or the pavement.
I was running a rev built ms3 and 725 I'd injectors at about 80% duty cycle with the 14psi setup. Size your injectors accordingly. This thing pushes more hot air than most turbos at this level of boost, so a bigger injectors will be required to keep the knock at bay. I'm also on 8.6:1 supertech's so you may want to think about running the smaller 110mm crank pulley if you have higher compression. I don't recommend running bigger than the 130mm pulley unless you have access to e85 or 93+ octane fuel. I only have access to awesome California 91.
Asking 2500 for the blower and all related parts, the intercooler and piping, and the header shipped. Also included will be the "stock Moss MP62 kit" stuff, incase you really want to go down to 6psi, except the power and timing cards. Those things are long gone. So brackets, pulleys, dummy throttle, whatever else I can find. If you don't want the extra "stock" bits, tell me. It will save in shipping.
Yes, you could probably make this work on an NA but you're on your own there. Not sure if intercooler pipes would work. You would also need to come up with an intake throttle solution.
All parts are currently running on the car, so give me a week to source a stock throttle for myself and pull parts off. If you want video, or on car pics, I can provide that. If you're seriously interested, I will pull parts and take photos upon request.
Thanks for the interest! Happy boosting!
The mods I've done are listed below and we're done for more boost and better drivability.
*BRP supercharger to head bracket and custom CNC'd spacer block to accommodate...
*6 rib pulleys spaced out front of PS and AC pulleys. This means you can run both PS and AC, one or the other, or neither without looking for special belts. And if anything happens to the blower, you can simply pull the belt and wire the bypass open and it will get you home. The tensioner is a dynamic GM unit widely available from your favorite parts store.
*Dual throttles. The blower throttle is from an early 2000's Crown Vic/Mustang (70 mm?). The cable is a modified NB cable so finding a replacement would be easy, although you could probably make a ton of cables work. The intake manifold throttle is a stock NB that has been modified with a 1.6L throttle wheel (for the extra cable). I would include this throttle as well to make the "kit" as complete as possible (for NB's).
*Blower throttle adapter plate has been ported and the transition between the throttle and blower smoothed over for better flow.
*Huge Spectra air filter. The one that came with the kit is restrictive at higher than about 6psi worth of boost at see level. This filer is available at many auto part stores is you ever need another.
*3" plumbing from filter to throttle. All parts purchased from siliconeintakes.com. Again, need more flow at higher than 6psi. It has a provision for the breather on the valve cover. I ran a catch can so no oil would go through the blower, but you can plumb it straight to the valve cover.
*Pulleys... Crank is currently a 130mm from fast forward. The blower is a 62.5mm from a Honda s/c kit probably. I had to put it on a lathe and take some off the back to get the pulley alignment dead on. This combo produces about 14psi at sea level with a cobalt header that's been modified (see below). I also have a 110mm fast forward pulley that produced about 9psi or so, that will go with the kit.
*Header is a Cobalt that has the EGR and cylinder 1 O2 sensor bung taken out and plates welded over. Also, from the last collector to the flange to the is 2.5" instead of 2.25". I've smoothed the welds inside the primaries as far as I could. This head will go with the kit as I'm heading to turbo land. The header is not pretty and has a few patch jobs on it but it works fine and certainly flows better than it used to.
*Trackdog intercooler and piping. You will need to come up with your own ducting from grill mouth to it or you can buy parts from trackdog. I put a blowoff valve between the cold side pipe and intake manifold throttle to keep surge down, but I don't know that it's necessary. I will provide you a straight coupler here as I will be keeping the valve.
What you will need to get this up and running on your car that I will not proved is anything fuel related...injectors, ecu, map, ect.
What will be provided is everything you need to bolt the blower and intercooler on and plumb it. If your NB is already up and running on megasquirt and injectors, this is the easy button for boost.
The blower has about 30k miles on it with about 10k on a new nose assembly. The last nose destroyed itself when the belt touched itself on opposite belt runs. This problem has been fixed with proper belt spacing.
The rotors have normal wear. Nothing. Drastic, but some wear (which is typical).
Horsepower and torque? I don't know for sure, never been on a dyno. I've driven a 215whp Miata and it definitely pulls harder. I'd guess 230whp and 180-190 torque? It feels good, but boost addiction is real and I need more. If you're on stockish tire it's down right squirly. On my 205 rival s tires it will still blow the tires off roll on (no clutch funny business) in 1st. 2nd hooks pretty well if there is any heat in them or the pavement.
I was running a rev built ms3 and 725 I'd injectors at about 80% duty cycle with the 14psi setup. Size your injectors accordingly. This thing pushes more hot air than most turbos at this level of boost, so a bigger injectors will be required to keep the knock at bay. I'm also on 8.6:1 supertech's so you may want to think about running the smaller 110mm crank pulley if you have higher compression. I don't recommend running bigger than the 130mm pulley unless you have access to e85 or 93+ octane fuel. I only have access to awesome California 91.
Asking 2500 for the blower and all related parts, the intercooler and piping, and the header shipped. Also included will be the "stock Moss MP62 kit" stuff, incase you really want to go down to 6psi, except the power and timing cards. Those things are long gone. So brackets, pulleys, dummy throttle, whatever else I can find. If you don't want the extra "stock" bits, tell me. It will save in shipping.
Yes, you could probably make this work on an NA but you're on your own there. Not sure if intercooler pipes would work. You would also need to come up with an intake throttle solution.
All parts are currently running on the car, so give me a week to source a stock throttle for myself and pull parts off. If you want video, or on car pics, I can provide that. If you're seriously interested, I will pull parts and take photos upon request.
Thanks for the interest! Happy boosting!
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Also note: the intercooler has a bung for IAT sensor. You will need to purchase a sensor separately or plug the hole.
Trackdog blanket will also be included, but again, it's not as new as it looks in that pic I took when I first put it on.
Also note: the intercooler has a bung for IAT sensor. You will need to purchase a sensor separately or plug the hole.
Trackdog blanket will also be included, but again, it's not as new as it looks in that pic I took when I first put it on.
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