hustler

iTrader: (6)

I have a gt2860rs with a 14psi wastegate actuator with a vac line connected at the compressor housing. I'm hitting 11 psi at 3400rpm, and about 14psi at 4000rpm. I have some pretty grotesque 911-turbo style lag...we're talking about 1/2 a second or so. (lag = time requried to hit target boost withing boost threshold engine speeds) Adding a manual boost controller helped lower boost threshold about 400rpm.

I checked my wastegate actuator's adjustment and I was able to make one complete turn "shorter" on the little arm to snug up the flapper (it was barely cracked).

Then i started to think about pre-loading it by shortening the arm, then using my massive guns to pull it out a bit...making it harder for the wastegate to open initially. Will this work to lower boost threshold without causing overboost?

Other things I considered:
getting vac line signal from the intake plenum
putting a canister (fuel filter thingy) on the vac line to give the turbo a little more time to spin before the wastegate actuates.

Saml01

iTrader: (9)

If you shorten the rod it will raise boost level.

The reason for the slow spool is because you have a 2860 with the larger turbine housing.

hustler

iTrader: (6)

1)yuo didn't answer the question adabout pre-load.
2)There are many people making more boost at lower rpm than me
3)i make it rain

Saml01

iTrader: (9)

1. Yes I did. If you shorten the rod and make it tighter against the housing it will raise ur boost level.
2. They probably have EBC, to make it lower or run a smaller turbine housing.
3. Whatever you say rain man.

ThePass

iTrader: (3)

Is 11 psi at 3400 rpm bad?? That sounds ok..

johndoe

iTrader: (5)

yes, preload away. mine's that way with no issue for months.

cardriverx

iTrader: (12)

Dude I make 11psi at like 3600 rpm, and my turbo should be somewhat similar... I don't see the problem.

m2cupcar

iTrader: (5)

What you want is the flapper to resist the force exerted upon it at boost rise. Adjusting the actuator arm only changes when and how far the flapper opens. Two things that reduced my boost leaks (spool kill) on my internal gate were a helper spring and EBC.

The one thing I noticed on my actuator is that it doesn't open right at a given point, but rather gradually opened from movement starting at ~7psi and completing extension at nearly 10psi. Proper tension on the spring held the gate shut during that initial movement up to the point at which the actuator overcomes the pull of the spring. So there's a quicker opening and longer shut vs. w/o the spring. Ghetto, yet effective.

sixshooter

iTrader: (12)

Other things I considered:
getting vac line signal from the intake plenum

+1

But what do I know?

hustler

iTrader: (6)

what is this helper spring?

I wish the EBC code worked correctly, I have all the stuff for it but I don't feel like running random boost pressures.

m2cupcar

iTrader: (5)

helper spring thread

another post describing my spring

The ebc can't doing anything with the leak that's going to happen below the wg actuator's open target. Another option is a dual port actuator used with an mbc. I'm considering that at the moment since my actuator is trashed.

similar thread started today

BradC

iTrader: (6)

Could you please explain that?

Unless we are thinking of different things...

Wouldn't the EBC keep the signal from the WG actuator until target boost was achieved, thereby keeping the wastegate closed longer and building boost quicker?

m2cupcar

iTrader: (5)

Yes- the ebc does keep the actuator from "seeing" a pressure signal. BUT the ebc can't keep the boost in the turbine housing from physically blowing the flapper valve open. It literally overpowers the actuator (counter) spring that keeps it closed. That's the reason dual port actuators (and helper springs) came about - to assist the actuator spring in holding the valve shut as boost rises.

BradC

iTrader: (6)

Gotcha, that makes sense then.

patsmx5

iTrader: (16)

Ironically similar to a dual port external gate I might mention.

m2cupcar

iTrader: (5)

Almost exactly the same in principle and application.

y8s

iTrader: (8)

is there any way you can connect the wastegate actuator to the .64 turbine housing? that should help.

hustler

iTrader: (6)

What does the smaller turbine housing to do EGT? Will I then have to retune on the dyno? I doubt its a bolt-and-go. That $215 housing will cost me another $100 to ceramic coat, then another $200 in dyno time. So $500 to switch to the smaller housing.

This is not a streetlight ricer fagmo car, this car sees lots of track time. So running a tiny little turbine housing is probably not a good idea.

hustler

iTrader: (6)

thanks m2cupcar. I'm fine with boost threshold now, but I'd love to lower it if possible.

magnamx-5

iTrader: (7)

just use the spring to pretension huslter i worked great for me.