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#105
You're paying premium for a v-band hotside, a v-band ewg, and other premium components all of which are to increase flow, efficiency, and precision, only to use a log, which is the most basic, and least efficient manifold there is.
That's like building a baller 3" titanium turboback exhaust with v-bands/etc , and then throw in crush bent mild steel bends.
Its counter productive. You're still paying a bunch of money, and you're still not getting optimal performance.
If you're gonna save money, save money. If you're gonna go all out, go all out.
You know this. Everyone knows this. Its not rocket science.
When he made his 1st iteration we all provided feedback. He could have tweaked some of the poorly executed designs and actually had a decent setup. But somehow he went full retard.
Just my .02
I can't wait for someone that's not stupid and actually uses his brain, like wittyworks, or artech, or absurdflow, to put something together. I bet it will be WIN.
#106
That is such horse ****. Bigotry horse **** that comes from you everyday.
I see no reason why having a v-band on that log is stupid. It makes for a nicer easier to work on set up. A full upgrade? No. A level up? Yes.
For the record, my record still stands even though I went backwards in your eyes.
I see no reason why having a v-band on that log is stupid. It makes for a nicer easier to work on set up. A full upgrade? No. A level up? Yes.
For the record, my record still stands even though I went backwards in your eyes.
Last edited by miata2fast; 03-10-2013 at 04:08 PM.
#107
That is such horse ****. Bigotry horse **** that comes from you everyday.
I see no reason why having a v-band on that log up is stupid. It makes for a nicer easier to work on set up. A full upgrade? No. A level up? Yes.
For the record, my record still stands even though I went backwards in your eyes.
I see no reason why having a v-band on that log up is stupid. It makes for a nicer easier to work on set up. A full upgrade? No. A level up? Yes.
For the record, my record still stands even though I went backwards in your eyes.
Not in my eyes. In the eyes of mankind.
By that logic we should all be riding horses.
Are there still carb'd cars still going fast? Yep. Is it a step back from EFI? Yep.
Are you just not comprehending what I'm saying, or being willfully ignorant just to flame me? Not that I care, but:
Nothing wrong with log manifolds. If the idea is to save money, by all means save money. By why optimize half the setup and de-optimize the rest? In the end you're not saving all the money you could be saving, and not reaching the power potential you could be reaching. Its mediocrity.
Is that too hard to follow? Take an aspirin, drink some coffee, and lets see if we can have a civil discussion about this. Or don't. I don't care.
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Nothing wrong with log manifolds. If the idea is to save money, by all means save money. By why optimize half the setup and de-optimize the rest? In the end you're not saving all the money you could be saving, and not reaching the power potential you could be reaching. Its mediocrity.
Is that too hard to follow? Take an aspirin, drink some coffee, and lets see if we can have a civil discussion about this. Or don't. I don't care.
Is that too hard to follow? Take an aspirin, drink some coffee, and lets see if we can have a civil discussion about this. Or don't. I don't care.
So until you can show me a NC manifold that fits both RHD and LHD cars with a normal t2 flange I can't say I have any problem with the way they went. In all honestly I think Tim has belt something similar to a log with a v-band setup to fit an NA with PS and AC.
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You're just being a reverse-*****: doing exactly the same thing I am, except arguing the other side. That's it.
Here, take a look at Shuiends post, it is actually a valid argument for using a log setup. He managed to explain it to me while you failed massively.
I think the idea is more to produce one manifold that fits both a LHD and a RHD NC miata. Cost difference between having a normal t2 flange the the v-band flange is next to nothing. They were going with external gates on the old setup I believe so that cost was already there.
So until you can show me a NC manifold that fits both RHD and LHD cars with a normal t2 flange I can't say I have any problem with the way they went. In all honestly I think Tim has belt something similar to a log with a v-band setup to fit an NA with PS and AC.
So until you can show me a NC manifold that fits both RHD and LHD cars with a normal t2 flange I can't say I have any problem with the way they went. In all honestly I think Tim has belt something similar to a log with a v-band setup to fit an NA with PS and AC.
I realize what you're saying about the vband hotside, however if saving money was the goal (lets just assume it was), they coulda went with a basic log, regular t2 internally gated hotside, and saved at least $500 if not more. That's what I was bothered by.
Actually I'm more bothered by the fact that he didn't just do the minor tweaks this forum was suggesting to the previous one, because that coulda turned into a pretty nice setup.
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Still nothing like a saturn or sky. Driving one of those feels like you're sitting in a manhole and peeking out. They feel so comparatively numb compared to a Miata.
I think the new setup is sweet. With this kit, the idea is that people are paying for ease and convenience. This manifold will meet their power goals, it's much easier to work with and will likely be more reliable long-term (eg. less cracking). It fits both LHD and RHD cars, and the V-bands make it sooooo much easier to install and change, it doesn't cost much more, and they're more reliable.
I fail to see why the vbands are a bad idea in any way. Yes the kit costs a little more. But it sure looks like a nice kit! Much better than version 1.
I think the new setup is sweet. With this kit, the idea is that people are paying for ease and convenience. This manifold will meet their power goals, it's much easier to work with and will likely be more reliable long-term (eg. less cracking). It fits both LHD and RHD cars, and the V-bands make it sooooo much easier to install and change, it doesn't cost much more, and they're more reliable.
I fail to see why the vbands are a bad idea in any way. Yes the kit costs a little more. But it sure looks like a nice kit! Much better than version 1.
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V-bands are more reliable than the non-inconel stud arrangement, don't have gaskets, and don't have space related problems for tightening some of the nuts. The downside is the turbine housings are less common and cost more.
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Maybe you are confusing it with my BEGI/FM replacement mani which isn't a log at all. Has a collector similar to the original absurdflow style, just built with tight radius bends instead of long rad. bends and orientated/rotated 90 deg so that the flange is vertical, not horizontal.