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Old 03-11-2015, 04:12 AM   #321
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Saturday, 2 of my competitors in E were sent (1st and 2nd place) and both miatas went over their respective HP cap and were DQ'd.
I was not DQ'ed on Saturday, and was not on the dyno at any point during the weekend, so I'm not sure where you got this information from. I did sit out Sunday (ran HPDE 4) so I could spend the day enjoying driving, rather than spending the day worrying about whether or not I would get a dyno and be DQ'ed for the entire weekend.


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ah! my mistake if that is the case. I had heard your teammate went off in a session? maybe that was it and was mistakenly reworded to me? anyways, apologies.

at that last sentence.
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stupid question incoming...

99 with vvt motor and sport brakes. Which for arguments sakes makes my car an 01+. How many points do you have to spend after you take a dyno re-class to stay in PTE.
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You should be able to get a PTE or PTE* reclass with that setup. I don't think he'll make you take points for the sport brakes. So you'll have either 12 or 19 points left.
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Old 05-07-2015, 01:03 PM   #325
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You should be able to get a PTE or PTE* reclass with that setup. I don't think he'll make you take points for the sport brakes. So you'll have either 12 or 19 points left.
Thanks. what's the deal with the * classing anyway. I've been trying to googz to find a good description of how that's different but I haven't found much in terms of explanations, and what I have found is very convoluted.
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Thanks. what's the deal with the * classing anyway. I've been trying to googz to find a good description of how that's different but I haven't found much in terms of explanations, and what I have found is very convoluted.
* = 7 pts. Which equates to a lbs/hp percentage. On high HP cars, it could be 20-30whp. On a E-C Miata, it usually works out to 5-8whp. That's how an 2400# NA with NB engine gets to 138whp to be closer to a 2400# NB1 pts car that can run 144whp. The difference is the dyno classed car will have a broader powerband. In practice, that's only an advantage on slow, tight tracks. On most tracks with higher avg speeds and/or longer straights, the pts car will always get to the braking zone first.
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* = 7 pts. Which equates to a lbs/hp percentage. On high HP cars, it could be 20-30whp. On a E-C Miata, it usually works out to 5-8whp. That's how an 2400# NA with NB engine gets to 138whp to be closer to a 2400# NB1 pts car that can run 144whp. The difference is the dyno classed car will have a broader powerband. In practice, that's only an advantage on slow, tight tracks. On most tracks with higher avg speeds and/or longer straights, the pts car will always get to the braking zone first.
Thank you very much for the explanation. I'm not really looking to go out and win the world or even really expecting to be competitive.

I'm thinking I'm going to take the car out for an event or two in it's current state while I collect parts and cash for the next phase of this cars life. It's very close to a competitive TTE build in it's current phase. I'll be down a slight advantage to a points nb1 car but since it's just for run, I'm not sweating it.

Thanks for the guidance yall. I'll prob post a few more times asking dumb questions as I re-arrange the parts that are already in teh garage to optimize what i have and do a nasa event or two. Then it's time for tear down and rebuild into something new.

edit: just for those watching from home... this is for tte... not pte like I said above. derp.
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For a dual duty - regional car, dyno classed is the way to go. Easier to setup and drive, biggest "high power" map for stuff like Miata Challenge/ Roadster Cup.
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For a dual duty - regional car, dyno classed is the way to go. Easier to setup and drive, biggest "high power" map for stuff like Miata Challenge/ Roadster Cup.
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When using full tread 205/50 RA-1s for rain should they go on a 8 or 9 inch wheel? I'm assuming 8 but want to make sure before I drop some $$.

205 Hoosiers are the exception for 205s on a 15x9 right?
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When using full tread 205/50 RA-1s for rain should they go on a 8 or 9 inch wheel? I'm assuming 8 but want to make sure before I drop some $$.

205 Hoosiers are the exception for 205s on a 15x9 right?
I think they'll be fine on 8's. The Hoosiers are a bit anomalous in their width. 205/50 H2O's (Hoosier wets) are actually narrower than the A7/R7, and end up being better on 8's too.
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Fairly certain Greg will make you take points for Sport Brakes. Non-BTM. +2.

From my dyno reclass (99 in a 94) email... "You may update to '99-'00 Mazda Miata brakes without a points assessment"
Base Trim Model, not Sports.

Unless Andrew was able to petition for something else in previous years. I know Emilio has made passing comments to it, but never asked him (or Greg) for clarification.
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Fairly certain Greg will make you take points for Sport Brakes. Non-BTM. +2.

From my dyno reclass (99 in a 94) email... "You may update to '99-'00 Mazda Miata brakes without a points assessment"
Base Trim Model, not Sports.

Unless Andrew was able to petition for something else in previous years. I know Emilio has made passing comments to it, but never asked him (or Greg) for clarification.
I think that door has closed. Andrews hall pass for Sport Brakes on an NA was a year or so prior to the NB2 getting 7 more points and it's own line in BTM models. So the days of free update/backdates from NB2 are over I believe. You have to ask Greg to be sure.
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Fairly certain Greg will make you take points for Sport Brakes. Non-BTM. +2.

From my dyno reclass (99 in a 94) email... "You may update to '99-'00 Mazda Miata brakes without a points assessment"
Base Trim Model, not Sports.

Unless Andrew was able to petition for something else in previous years. I know Emilio has made passing comments to it, but never asked him (or Greg) for clarification.
As I was told, the update/backdate rule only works on cars that fall in the years in the big list. ie a 01 miata can use Sport brakes since the 03 has them standard. Even though the 99 is the same "chassis", it doesn't fall in the 01-05 year break down that NASA Is using, so it has to take points for them.

Not following if your car is a 99 or a 94 though....
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I can't remember if it was last year or the year before that I had this discussion with Greg. At that time his ruling was that you could run sport brakes if you were reclassing as a VVT car, but you had to run non-sport 1.8 brakes if you were reclassed as a non-VVT 1.8 car. Reclassing as a VVT car gets you a 15lb penalty over a regular 1.8, but gains you VVT and sport brakes. Nothing else is allowed to be updated or backdated.

This is all referring to my 91 chassis with 1.8 swap, but I think the 15lb VVT penalty and free sport brakes usage applies to all VVT swapped miatas.
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The recent dyno class emails I've seen for VVT cars explicitly allow Sport brakes as well, but only for VVT cars. My "loophole" was closed when the NB2 cars were split out onto their own line item.
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Yup. if only.

I could only imagine that if the dyno operator was not welcomed/asked not to show/asked to leave, he probably wouldve called the national office and would have been there anyways. what do i know, im just a peon.

One competitor of mine was trying to find loopholes in the rules. our supplemental rules say that the local dyno was the one one to be used for compliance, yet at the same time, it does say those rules are subject to change and without notice, along with the reclassing sheet that says "gotta be compliant during any tech inspection." to me, a dyno is a tech inspection.

While i do feel for everyone who was DQ'd, it was definitely a shitty situation, and again, not how i wanted to get my 1st 1st place this season. Some let their ego's take over while some swallowed it and/or made plans for if/when this happened, and did what was best to get points/contingency/etc.

Hell, I would have been DQ'ed as well had I not ballasted up.
Jesus... didn't see this until now but lol @ ego comment. Did you think I would never see this? Sorry if I won't bend over for NASA while they screw people with that dyno. What was I supposed to do? Ratchet strap a floor jack (illegal ballast) into my car like you?

You also never had a Plan B before the event, that was a one time exception that they made up on the spot halfway through Saturday to allow dyno classed cars to operate on a power to weight limit instead of a horsepower cap, and had they not implemented it, or had you been dyno'd first instead of me, you would have been DQ'd as well.


The whole thing was bullshit and just reinforces my decision to never go to nationals.



Oh bonus for everyone else here: the MCE dyno jackass cut apart my wiring harness to get an ignition signal even after I told him not to. He refused to use the plug wire because he said the signal wasn't as good lol.

Bonus bonus: I was fired from being an instructor with NASA AZ after "speaking ill of the official national dyno."
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Bonus bonus: I was fired from being an instructor with NASA AZ after "speaking ill of the official national dyno."
That's a douche move by the local NASA franchise. I think our NASA-Florida Region guy out here is interested in getting it right and not running people off.

One of the worst cases of mismanagement I've heard was by NASA not verifying the measuring stick they were using was an accurate device prior to implementation. It seems pretty simple to have a known quantity pre-measured and verified by multiple sources to then be used to verify the measuring device periodically throughout the measuring of competitors' vehicles. Or maybe I'm the idiot.

Racing seems to always have so much internal strife. SCCA is full of strife, NASA, and even the big national and international organizations like PWC, ALMS, Indycar, etc. are always having accuracy and fairness issues. I guess it goes with the seriousness that accompanies competition coupled with the inherent fallibility of men.

As you noted above, painting a picture of ourselves and our actions as being more insightful, wise, and righteous is also a feature common to men.

Humility is difficult to find on the internet.
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Bonus bonus: I was fired from being an instructor with NASA AZ after "speaking ill of the official national dyno."
taping up nasa stickers after the fact which gave the proverbial finger to all the other instructors/officials/attendees, talking down to multiple officials, just to name some other reasons why you were let go....you being an instructor had much more responsibilities and duties than just teaching DE students how to drive. thats what youre not understanding. you know you could get your position back...


but, hey thats just my opinion. we've already been over the other stuff.
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As you noted above, painting a picture of ourselves and our actions as being more insightful, wise, and righteous is also a feature common to men.
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