A HOW TO thread for TT classing miatas??
02-19-2011, 09:08 AM
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I think Nasa is biased against the miatas, that's my
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02-19-2011, 07:49 PM
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I'm officially done with NASA after submitting my off season changes for classification and getting the result. I added 11hp and dropped 15lbs and got hit with a 14 point assessment. WTF? Turns out miata got hit with a new base weight this year. Yay!
So, now my options are to remove points, make the car slower to stay in TTB, (where I'm pedalling as fast as I can with my current setup to catch the overdog M3), or enter the arms race in TTA (where the same TTB M3 crushes the entire TTA field) . I have no desire to do either.
The TTC** M3 (E46) gets to add an exhaust that drops 60lbs and adds hp, and gets no points ecu reflashes w/o needing dyno classification. Stays in same class as last year, while the miata takes it up the ***.
Spoolin, did you get your reclass? Required due to the change in the base weight. Did you see that glass is now required in your top? Dont forget all the numbering/lettering/decal requirements for a class supposedly for "street cars".
Sadly, this means no TxMC for me either. Yeah, I could run hpde, but it's a matter of principle to me. They tout "rules stability", I build my car to the rules, and then the rules change. WTF> I'm done.
I'll run PCA TT and hpde with other orgs, and battle Hustler at M@H.
So, now my options are to remove points, make the car slower to stay in TTB, (where I'm pedalling as fast as I can with my current setup to catch the overdog M3), or enter the arms race in TTA (where the same TTB M3 crushes the entire TTA field) . I have no desire to do either.
The TTC** M3 (E46) gets to add an exhaust that drops 60lbs and adds hp, and gets no points ecu reflashes w/o needing dyno classification. Stays in same class as last year, while the miata takes it up the ***.
Spoolin, did you get your reclass? Required due to the change in the base weight. Did you see that glass is now required in your top? Dont forget all the numbering/lettering/decal requirements for a class supposedly for "street cars".
Sadly, this means no TxMC for me either. Yeah, I could run hpde, but it's a matter of principle to me. They tout "rules stability", I build my car to the rules, and then the rules change. WTF> I'm done.
I'll run PCA TT and hpde with other orgs, and battle Hustler at M@H.
don't be a quitter. btw, you weren't at the awards ceremony to receive your trophy for ttb 2010. did you get it? better call somebody if not. don't give up the belt without a fight champ.
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02-19-2011, 08:06 PM
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nasa did this due to the large number of complaints from non-miata drivers losing to miata drivers. fact of the matter is in many regions, in classes from tte to tta, miata's are winning regional championships and setting class/track records. have you ever watched world challenge or koni (now continental) challenge? from one event to another some cars gain weight and restrictor plates, and some lose them in an effort to make a level playing field out of a super diverse group of cars. not sticking up for nasa, just pointing out a few facts. i know that in my neck of the woods atleast, i don't have as much fun with any other track group. plus at a regular hpde there isn't that whole motorsports atmosphere that occurs when there are actual races to watch.
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02-20-2011, 07:01 PM
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The 2011 NASA Time Trial Rules (v 8.1) have been approved and were released and are posted online. NASA has attempted to make improvements to the series as we continue with our goal of providing as much “rules stability” as possible.
Thanks anyway John. H2R sounds interesting and I'll try to make that one if schedule permmits. Not sure how they are going to handle the sound restrictions w/spec challenge. Hopefully they won't make me shove a bananna up my tailpipe, cause the miata is tired enough from the *** pounding by NASA.
Thanks anyway John. H2R sounds interesting and I'll try to make that one if schedule permmits. Not sure how they are going to handle the sound restrictions w/spec challenge. Hopefully they won't make me shove a bananna up my tailpipe, cause the miata is tired enough from the *** pounding by NASA.
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02-24-2011, 08:19 AM
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Ok, I've calmed down and un-bunched my panties. I'm back in. Here's why:
1.) Too much fun to sit out and watch from the side-lines.
2.) I get to humiliate at least a few TTA cars in my puny miata.
3.) It's the only track Hustler beat me on last year. Revenge will be served cold.
4.) It's too much fun.
5.) Cause ****'em, that's why.
6.) It's seriously too much fun to miss.
See ya'll there.
Edit: just realized I derailed the thread somewhat. Sorry. Back to shitty miata TT classing
1.) Too much fun to sit out and watch from the side-lines.
2.) I get to humiliate at least a few TTA cars in my puny miata.
3.) It's the only track Hustler beat me on last year. Revenge will be served cold.
4.) It's too much fun.
5.) Cause ****'em, that's why.
6.) It's seriously too much fun to miss.
See ya'll there.
Edit: just realized I derailed the thread somewhat. Sorry. Back to shitty miata TT classing
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02-24-2011, 12:06 PM
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Ok, I've calmed down and un-bunched my panties. I'm back in. Here's why:
1.) Too much fun to sit out and watch from the side-lines.
2.) I get to humiliate at least a few TTA cars in my puny miata.
3.) It's the only track Hustler beat me on last year. Revenge will be served cold.
4.) It's too much fun.
5.) Cause ****'em, that's why.
6.) It's seriously too much fun to miss.
See ya'll there.
Edit: just realized I derailed the thread somewhat. Sorry. Back to shitty miata TT classing
1.) Too much fun to sit out and watch from the side-lines.
2.) I get to humiliate at least a few TTA cars in my puny miata.
3.) It's the only track Hustler beat me on last year. Revenge will be served cold.
4.) It's too much fun.
5.) Cause ****'em, that's why.
6.) It's seriously too much fun to miss.
See ya'll there.
Edit: just realized I derailed the thread somewhat. Sorry. Back to shitty miata TT classing
that's what i'm talkin' about! killin' vettes is awesome. beating hustler is icing on the cake. my buddy and i are preppin' the crx for battle. so if my miata is still dead we'll be campaigning that beast. barring some weird handling issue from the illumina/gc setup i just put on it, the crx should be pretty quick. it's an 11 sec. drag car so if i can get it to hook up great, if not, well i'll be
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10-03-2011, 04:42 PM
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I happen to come across this thread looking for front splitters somehow, but I figured I'd chime in on my classing in case someone comes across this old thread looking for classing info. My initial email was
"Hello Greg. I am looking to get a dyno reclassification due to forced induction. Car is a 94 Mazda Miata. Max horsepower on the three pulls is 220whp. I'd like to be classed based on 235whp to be conservative. As shown on the graph, the car is running really rich for some reason so I'll have to get it dyno'd again sometime. I am aiming to be in TTA (no stars). Currrent competition weight is 2502lbs, but I'm still taking out weight, just didn't want to take out too much to be in TTA.
I would like to know what my minimum competition weight is for base class of TTA (no stars) for 235whp in a 1994 Mazda Miata."
The response from Greg (a month later) was
"Your '94 Mazda Miata with forced induction and a maximum of 235 rwhp on a Dynojet, and minimum competition weight of 2440 lbs, will have a new base class of PTB**/TTB** (fourteen points). Your new base tire size is 265mm. You will not need to assess modification points for engine mods or weight reduction. However, all other modifications, including transmission and LSD, that are not standard items on a base trim '94 Mazda Miata must be assessed points. You must be compliant with the above listed maximum Dynojet hp and minimum competition weight during any tech inspection.
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Your '94 Mazda Miata with forced induction and a maximum of 235 rwhp on a Dynojet, and minimum competition weight of 2160 lbs, will have a new base class of PTA*/TTA* (seven points). Your new base tire size is 295mm. You will not need to assess modification points for engine mods or weight reduction. However, all other modifications, including transmission and LSD, that are not standard items on a base trim '94 Mazda Miata must be assessed points. You must be compliant with the above listed maximum Dynojet hp and minimum competition weight during any tech inspection.
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Your '94 Mazda Miata with forced induction and a maximum of 262 rwhp on a Dynojet, and minimum competition weight of 2338 lbs, will have a new base class of PTA*/TTA* (seven points). Your new base tire size is 295mm. You will not need to assess modification points for engine mods or weight reduction. However, all other modifications, including transmission and LSD, that are not standard items on a base trim '94 Mazda Miata must be assessed points. You must be compliant with the above listed maximum Dynojet hp and minimum competition weight during any tech inspection."
I ended up going with the last option, as it made more sense to pick one of the TTA* options than trying to do the TTB** option. Maybe sometime down the road I'll try to really strip the hell out of the car to get it down to the lower horsepower/weight TTA* option.
I also picked TTA based on the local competition here in Arizona. The TTB leaders (BMWs) are consistently faster than all of the TTA competitors.
Also notice, I asked specifically for TTA no stars and was told that wasn't possible.
"Hello Greg. I am looking to get a dyno reclassification due to forced induction. Car is a 94 Mazda Miata. Max horsepower on the three pulls is 220whp. I'd like to be classed based on 235whp to be conservative. As shown on the graph, the car is running really rich for some reason so I'll have to get it dyno'd again sometime. I am aiming to be in TTA (no stars). Currrent competition weight is 2502lbs, but I'm still taking out weight, just didn't want to take out too much to be in TTA.
I would like to know what my minimum competition weight is for base class of TTA (no stars) for 235whp in a 1994 Mazda Miata."
The response from Greg (a month later) was
"Your '94 Mazda Miata with forced induction and a maximum of 235 rwhp on a Dynojet, and minimum competition weight of 2440 lbs, will have a new base class of PTB**/TTB** (fourteen points). Your new base tire size is 265mm. You will not need to assess modification points for engine mods or weight reduction. However, all other modifications, including transmission and LSD, that are not standard items on a base trim '94 Mazda Miata must be assessed points. You must be compliant with the above listed maximum Dynojet hp and minimum competition weight during any tech inspection.
Or,
Your '94 Mazda Miata with forced induction and a maximum of 235 rwhp on a Dynojet, and minimum competition weight of 2160 lbs, will have a new base class of PTA*/TTA* (seven points). Your new base tire size is 295mm. You will not need to assess modification points for engine mods or weight reduction. However, all other modifications, including transmission and LSD, that are not standard items on a base trim '94 Mazda Miata must be assessed points. You must be compliant with the above listed maximum Dynojet hp and minimum competition weight during any tech inspection.
Or,
Your '94 Mazda Miata with forced induction and a maximum of 262 rwhp on a Dynojet, and minimum competition weight of 2338 lbs, will have a new base class of PTA*/TTA* (seven points). Your new base tire size is 295mm. You will not need to assess modification points for engine mods or weight reduction. However, all other modifications, including transmission and LSD, that are not standard items on a base trim '94 Mazda Miata must be assessed points. You must be compliant with the above listed maximum Dynojet hp and minimum competition weight during any tech inspection."
I ended up going with the last option, as it made more sense to pick one of the TTA* options than trying to do the TTB** option. Maybe sometime down the road I'll try to really strip the hell out of the car to get it down to the lower horsepower/weight TTA* option.
I also picked TTA based on the local competition here in Arizona. The TTB leaders (BMWs) are consistently faster than all of the TTA competitors.
Also notice, I asked specifically for TTA no stars and was told that wasn't possible.
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10-03-2011, 06:14 PM
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You got that right... 
I'd be game for seeing if we can put something together. There's a small track around Talledega that's cheap to rent, Talledega Grand Prix. APR often rents the track for test/tune for $800/day. I've often thought about going in with several guys for a fun day of testing. It's a cheaper option to see what turn-out would be like.
I'd be game for seeing if we can put something together. There's a small track around Talledega that's cheap to rent, Talledega Grand Prix. APR often rents the track for test/tune for $800/day. I've often thought about going in with several guys for a fun day of testing. It's a cheaper option to see what turn-out would be like.
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10-05-2011, 01:56 PM
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You can have a competitive Miata in the lower classes like TTF and TTE if you work the rules and take advantage of +0 mods whenever possible. That said, the upper classes ARE biased against them heavily.
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09-02-2012, 09:27 PM
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I'm moving to Houston so it looks like I'll be playing with you guys. I'm coming from SCCA SSM, which is basically unlimited, so I'm trying to wrap my head around NASA TT classing. I'm expecting to get re-classed into TTA*
From there, it looks like I'll be +7 for the *, +7 NT01, -19 for 225's, +3 6 speed, +3 diff (I'm assuming I still take these points, even though my torsen was stock on my '94) +3 shocks, +2 springs, +2 sway bars, +2 brakes, +3 air dam, +3 splitter, +4 wing.
which puts me at +20... which puts me in TTU? ****
Assuming I did that right, I guess I could run 205 R6's, which would shave 3 points and keep me in TTA with 2 points to spare. I've been running on 275 R6's... 205's are gonna feel like roller skates!
From there, it looks like I'll be +7 for the *, +7 NT01, -19 for 225's, +3 6 speed, +3 diff (I'm assuming I still take these points, even though my torsen was stock on my '94) +3 shocks, +2 springs, +2 sway bars, +2 brakes, +3 air dam, +3 splitter, +4 wing.
which puts me at +20... which puts me in TTU? ****
Assuming I did that right, I guess I could run 205 R6's, which would shave 3 points and keep me in TTA with 2 points to spare. I've been running on 275 R6's... 205's are gonna feel like roller skates!
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09-02-2012, 09:34 PM
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Hustler and I were in the neighborhood of 235rwhp - which the master Dickator Greenbaum based classed us as TTB**
Yeah - welcome to Nasa TT
IF I wanted to just get out and play - I'm going straight TTS/TTU and do all the aeroshit I can. Only take points for tires and weight basically. Good luck!
Yeah - welcome to Nasa TT
IF I wanted to just get out and play - I'm going straight TTS/TTU and do all the aeroshit I can. Only take points for tires and weight basically. Good luck!
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09-03-2012, 12:10 AM
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Hustler and I were in the neighborhood of 235rwhp - which the master Dickator Greenbaum based classed us as TTB**
Yeah - welcome to Nasa TT
IF I wanted to just get out and play - I'm going straight TTS/TTU and do all the aeroshit I can. Only take points for tires and weight basically. Good luck!
Yeah - welcome to Nasa TT
IF I wanted to just get out and play - I'm going straight TTS/TTU and do all the aeroshit I can. Only take points for tires and weight basically. Good luck!
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09-03-2012, 12:12 AM
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I'm moving to Houston so it looks like I'll be playing with you guys. I'm coming from SCCA SSM, which is basically unlimited, so I'm trying to wrap my head around NASA TT classing. I'm expecting to get re-classed into TTA*
From there, it looks like I'll be +7 for the *, +7 NT01, -19 for 225's, +3 6 speed, +3 diff (I'm assuming I still take these points, even though my torsen was stock on my '94) +3 shocks, +2 springs, +2 sway bars, +2 brakes, +3 air dam, +3 splitter, +4 wing.
which puts me at +20... which puts me in TTU? ****
Assuming I did that right, I guess I could run 205 R6's, which would shave 3 points and keep me in TTA with 2 points to spare. I've been running on 275 R6's... 205's are gonna feel like roller skates!
From there, it looks like I'll be +7 for the *, +7 NT01, -19 for 225's, +3 6 speed, +3 diff (I'm assuming I still take these points, even though my torsen was stock on my '94) +3 shocks, +2 springs, +2 sway bars, +2 brakes, +3 air dam, +3 splitter, +4 wing.
which puts me at +20... which puts me in TTU? ****
Assuming I did that right, I guess I could run 205 R6's, which would shave 3 points and keep me in TTA with 2 points to spare. I've been running on 275 R6's... 205's are gonna feel like roller skates!
Where are you going in Houston and when?
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