Trackday Pics Give Me Suspension Questions (no56k)
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Wow. Yours looks like it is experiencing much more travel in the front than mine but a little less in the back. I guess you didn't have an instructor helping to weigh down the rear. You were probably running stickier tires than my RS2s so you were pushing it harder. What were the spring rates on the car in the picture?
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Wow. Yours looks like it is experiencing much more travel in the front than mine but a little less in the back. I guess you didn't have an instructor helping to weigh down the rear. You were probably running stickier tires than my RS2s so you were pushing it harder. What were the spring rates on the car in the picture?
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actually that was on legally bald rs-2's. drove to and from the track. but again this was 2007. back then my car was at 2350lbs. not sure what the ebay springs were rated at. later i switched to Qa1 350/250 springs and an rb frt. sway. much, much better than that picture. i was pushing as hard as i could to not impede that spec miata driver. if you look at the sm behind me, you can see the difference 700/400 springs, and the big eibach sways make.
Here's my comparison pic. We aren't fully into the corner yet so we I'm really not swaying much at this point. I passed this Z06 in the previous straightaway because he just couldn't hang with my acceleration, yeah right.
My instructor was balancing his checkbook in this picture because it was so thrilling.
Yeah, ok, I'm waiting for the passing zone to let him by...
The planning has begun and I have seen the cheap ebay spring and coilover kits on ebay but there is absolutely no info on rates, spring lengths, or diameters to know which ones might help a brother out. Do I want the honduh EG, EK, DSM2, integra, accord, eclipse or what? 2" or 4" vertical adjusters? I've searched a bit but here but all too often people just say "ebay coilovers" but I know there have to be differences because they are being advertised for different cars. Nondescript chinese crap. AAArgh. Buying brand name springs looks easier. They actually have dimensions and rates.
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^^^ That would be an okay budget plan. At least get springs with known rates from a reputable manufacturer even if you cheap out on the sleeves. There is nothing functionally wrong with used springs (unless they are rusted to **** maybe) and they can often be had cheaper than new QA1s, which are alredy budget-friendly. If you start with springs of unknown rates then it will be difficult to know what direction you need to go with future adjustments to get the balance where you like it. Yeah, you can stand on them and measure the delta to get a rough idea of the rate, but also consider that if they are a name brand with known rate you will one day be able to sell them to somebody else. Nobody wants to buy your used unknown ebay springs, so they will end up wasting space in your garage, or in a landfill.
As far as ebay sleeves go, as a rule, I avoid chinese pot metal suspension parts. But lots of people use them and I haven't seen reports of them failing.
GC sells quality parts, but $400 is more than you really have to spend to get quality parts. If you break it down, you're paying the same for the sleeves as if you bought stuff Koni (who are actually helpful over the phone, unlike others) and you're paying $60 for each of 4 new Eibach springs which isn't saving you money either.
As far as ebay sleeves go, as a rule, I avoid chinese pot metal suspension parts. But lots of people use them and I haven't seen reports of them failing.
GC sells quality parts, but $400 is more than you really have to spend to get quality parts. If you break it down, you're paying the same for the sleeves as if you bought stuff Koni (who are actually helpful over the phone, unlike others) and you're paying $60 for each of 4 new Eibach springs which isn't saving you money either.
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right, i have no idea what the ebay springs are. that's why i bought the Qa1 springs i mentioned in my post. i do know my buddy had msm bilsteins (silver ones) and bought the silver sleeve/blue spring ebay coilovers because someone had measured them at 450/325 or something like that. rode 100x better tham oem and was fast at the track.
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Sixshooter,
I have Koni Yellows with 525/335 springs, damping set ~half turn off full stiff. Ride height is slightly lower than stock.
It rides much better than stock on the street. I was surprised, but the point I am trying to make is if you go with yellows, don't worry about a harsh street ride.
I have Koni Yellows with 525/335 springs, damping set ~half turn off full stiff. Ride height is slightly lower than stock.
It rides much better than stock on the street. I was surprised, but the point I am trying to make is if you go with yellows, don't worry about a harsh street ride.
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According to wisdom posted on the interwebz, "outside of the NB Bilstein tube is a bit over 50mm or 1.97 inches." If I am able to collect the proper parts I'll send my Billies out for a revalve eventually and get serious about this. After denying myself the ability to spend a few bucks on the car for so long I'm finding it hard to stop now, especially after getting a taste of the track. I gotta get another fix. I'm going to be a full-blown trackhead.
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Sixshooter,
I have Koni Yellows with 525/335 springs, damping set ~half turn off full stiff. Ride height is slightly lower than stock.
It rides much better than stock on the street. I was surprised, but the point I am trying to make is if you go with yellows, don't worry about a harsh street ride.
I have Koni Yellows with 525/335 springs, damping set ~half turn off full stiff. Ride height is slightly lower than stock.
It rides much better than stock on the street. I was surprised, but the point I am trying to make is if you go with yellows, don't worry about a harsh street ride.
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Sixshooter,
I have Koni Yellows with 525/335 springs, damping set ~half turn off full stiff. Ride height is slightly lower than stock.
It rides much better than stock on the street. I was surprised, but the point I am trying to make is if you go with yellows, don't worry about a harsh street ride.
I have Koni Yellows with 525/335 springs, damping set ~half turn off full stiff. Ride height is slightly lower than stock.
It rides much better than stock on the street. I was surprised, but the point I am trying to make is if you go with yellows, don't worry about a harsh street ride.
Edit: Brain's post echoes some of the sentiment I've heard before. I wonder if any of that is a result of how the owner has them adjusted or if they are always somewhat harsh?
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That would be great! I was sitting here contemplating buying a set of ebay sleeves and springs just to have to chuck out the springs and shop for proper rate springs.
According to wisdom posted on the interwebz, "outside of the NB Bilstein tube is a bit over 50mm or 1.97 inches." If I am able to collect the proper parts I'll send my Billies out for a revalve eventually and get serious about this. After denying myself the ability to spend a few bucks on the car for so long I'm finding it hard to stop now, especially after getting a taste of the track. I gotta get another fix. I'm going to be a full-blown trackhead.
According to wisdom posted on the interwebz, "outside of the NB Bilstein tube is a bit over 50mm or 1.97 inches." If I am able to collect the proper parts I'll send my Billies out for a revalve eventually and get serious about this. After denying myself the ability to spend a few bucks on the car for so long I'm finding it hard to stop now, especially after getting a taste of the track. I gotta get another fix. I'm going to be a full-blown trackhead.
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The Koni adjuster changes rebound damping. The car will feel tighter through corners if you crank up the damping, but increasing the damping as a band-aid compensation for low spring rates really exacerbates the jacking down phenomenon when you encounter bumps. I'd guess that anyone who is more than 1/2 turn up from full soft on stock-ish spring rates probably has them set way too stiff. You have about two turns of adjustment to work with. On 450/300 I'm about 1/2 to 5/8 turn down from full stiff in the front, and about 1 turn down for the rears, give or take (it's been a while since I adjusted them). One good way to set them is to find some speed "humps," the smoother kind used to control residential neighborhood traffic that you can take at 25-30 mph. Start at full soft and turn up the damping 1/4 turn at a time until you have mitigated the "hobby horse" effect induced by the hump. That will be a good point to leave it for street driving on smooth roads, or you can back off ~1/4 turn if you live in a bumpy area. If at some point you do an event on a smooth track you can play with cranking up the damping and see how you like it.
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Maybe my old **** was so blown I was just straight up riding the bumpstops. Or you just have a really sensitive ***
Also, keep in mind I am just slightly under stock ride height, not really low.
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Concrete blocks would have been better than my old stockers, so I understand. It was slam into the bumpstop then bounce off of it.
I'm working on getting the used coilovers from Stinkycheesemonkey. Does anyone have any old springs that might be useful to me? Anything between 200 and about 550lbs would interest me. Cheap and ugly makes me smile. Cheap and pretty is sheer joy!
Thanks guys.
I'm working on getting the used coilovers from Stinkycheesemonkey. Does anyone have any old springs that might be useful to me? Anything between 200 and about 550lbs would interest me. Cheap and ugly makes me smile. Cheap and pretty is sheer joy!
Thanks guys.
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