mx5-kiwi

I have been trying to buy a damaged race roof cheap from a supplier but he is out of town...was hoping to have it fitted and ready to race on Saturday....

Between the race weight roof and the new f/glass race weight boot lid I was hoping to drop a decent amount of weight and have a crack and my PB lap time.

Turns out neither the roof or boot will be ready and I suddenly thought had the brain wave... save even more weight and just take the whole bloody roof off.

Now I can't decide whether the Aero loss will be offset by the weight loss....

Anyone care to elaborate....?

track is approx 2.8km long with only one main straight that will have a top speed around `90 - 200 KPH.

EErockMiata

aero > weight in this case. I've found the hard top to be worth 1-2 seconds depending on the track.

Leafy

iTrader: (1)

Do you intended to sawsall the windshield off?

mx5-kiwi

not at this point...

spec

iTrader: (2)

Without a doubt run the top! Weight is ~ linear penalty, Aero penalty is squared.

Arca_ex

iTrader: (2)

Hard top is worth the weight. There's a local track here with a huge straightaway, even on a 120 to 140HP Miata it's worth about 6 to 10MPH at the end of the straight. Lap times are much better at all tracks with it on.

aidandj

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Theres a picture somewhere where 949 (i think, may have been someone else) ran a piece of coroplast on top of the cage, and recieved some aero benefit.

Savington

iTrader: (31)

Roof is always better.

bigben

Even with autocross?

Savington

iTrader: (31)

Maybe not for something like an ES car. CSP might be a wash. Competitive SSM cars have them.

bigben

Thanks!

dasting

I know AJ Hartman Racing did this on his chumpcar miata to avoid OEM hardtop penalty.

Edit - Looking at it he obviously used either carbon fiber or glass that he had laying around. Not coroplast. Similar idea.

(sorry for potato quality, only shot I could find)

pdexta

iTrader: (17)

This is where virtual dyno is really cool. Make a 4th gear pull with the top and without the top, don't correct for the weight difference, and it'll give you an answer which is faster for any given speed.

I logged a couple pulls a long time ago in a NA8 with headlights up vs down and the areo difference showed up pretty big above 40mph.

I feel like you could pretty near pinpoint the speed where your areo advantage overtook the weight advantage and it'd give you a clearcut answer to your question.

Leafy

iTrader: (1)

Only a couple do. It's not worth the weight, like cool though. WE don't go fast enough for drag to matter and if you can't drastically over power your front aero with your rear then your wing sucks

cabowabo

Speaking of, do you template for a stock NA8? I downloaded virtual dyno the other day, but all the settings it needs looks like Greek and I just wanted to mess around with it for fun.

unk577

How much does the "race roof" weigh? They are available here in the states at about 11lbs before you add the poly window.

Neddy

What about hard top vs soft top? Any lap time time difference there???

dasting

I've never been to a track that allows the soft top to be up.

mx5-kiwi

I imagine the same, its just a fibreglass outer skin so should be in the ball park...we have to have a 5mm Poly windows (and ali bracing) where some countries can use 4mm.

Two guys who race in the same Classic Japanese class I do have done it already and say the weight saving is significant. they told me the figures at the time but i forget now...I just know its the next stage of car delveopment

bbundy

Mine weighs 11 lbs with poly window. I think it is worth 11 for autocross but not if it is 45 lbs like a stock one. On the track you want the top regardless.