Who is not running helper spings
#81
Run softer springs, you'll have more rebound travel, I think 1000# springs are to much for a miata on the track, can't speak for autox. I am running MCS's and haven't had issues with not having enough bump travel also I'm not running 275 hoosiers.
Last edited by jmann; 02-14-2016 at 10:55 PM.
#83
IMO there is alot more to, it then grip. The weight of the car , roll couple and alot of other stuff has alot to do with it. I am no suspension tech. but I do know that nascar cup cars are running less then 1000# springs on the right side sometimes and they weigh a lot more then our miatas and lots more grip and aero.
#84
Yea it was interesting I learned some stuff last year fiddling with stuff. Adjusting in small increments of front bar stiffness smaller than most people ever have and found some magic at about the point the inside front tire will lift powering out of corners, stiffer relative front than that didn't help and softer than that was slower. ended up with way more front roll stiffness than I ever thought would work well. I think this was because my prior setup knowledge of balance was based on the flawed experience of the front being too deep in the bump travel on the outside front tire. the back is soft with no bar but it still feels balanced and puts down power well. keep in mind with the boost turned up this is a 400hp car with a splitter 6" past the front bumper and a GT1000 rear wing running 275 A6 Hoosiers on 15X11 wheels.
#85
There is another school of thought out there regarding droop travel. From Penske:
At ride height generally you will want as much bump/compression stroke as possible, and roughly 1"-2" of droop/extension travel.
Obviously the word "generally" makes this statement apply to everything and nothing all at once. FWIW, my shocks have little droop travel and therefore don't require a tender spring in the front. The front tire does not come off the ground. The rear is a different story and is probably unseating during a run. I don't have wheelspin issues but then again I don't make any power. Maybe a tender spring in the rear might affect the front's behavior?
At ride height generally you will want as much bump/compression stroke as possible, and roughly 1"-2" of droop/extension travel.
Obviously the word "generally" makes this statement apply to everything and nothing all at once. FWIW, my shocks have little droop travel and therefore don't require a tender spring in the front. The front tire does not come off the ground. The rear is a different story and is probably unseating during a run. I don't have wheelspin issues but then again I don't make any power. Maybe a tender spring in the rear might affect the front's behavior?
#86
What is the reason for running at 4 inch at the pinchweld ride heights? I know on some cars, if you lower too far you can mess up the roll centers. Does this happen with the Miata? I've also read that angled A arms aren't optimal and cause bumpsteer. At what ride height do you reach a point where you are hurting more than helping?
Last edited by wannafbody; 02-15-2016 at 04:52 PM.
#88
What Hector said. I have seen pics of my car in sharp corners and the inside isn't much higher then when it is sitting still. The outside fenders are down over the tires a little more. I am also running 6" of splitter up front with end plates and a wing in the rr with a wickerbill. I think if anything the wing and splitter keeps the car planted on the inside in a corner. If the tracks were rough I would have helpers. When I used to race for real there was the age old debate on spring rates and that was a while back and it well most likely continue forever as with shocks.
#92
If the front spring is 6 inches you should run a tender spring, on a Miata. If you are using a 7 inch front spring depending on ride height, you might not need the tender spring. With a Racing Beat front bar, I'm not sure that you'll have enough droop to warrant a tender with a 7 inch spring unless you get both front wheels off the ground.
Home - PAC Racing Springs have very good prices on tender springs, listed as flat wire springs.
Home - PAC Racing Springs have very good prices on tender springs, listed as flat wire springs.
Last edited by wannafbody; 02-21-2016 at 12:24 PM.
#93
My statement above is absolutely true, depending on several different factors. On my street Miata, at a 5 inch pinch weld height with Bilsteins, 450# 7inch front springs and a Energy suspension isolator at the top, the springs don't come lose at full droop. So, as I stated, depending on ride height, spring rate and spring length, you may or may not need a tender spring in the front.
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If you run a soft spring, like a 450#, and you run with lots of ride height, like 5" pinch welds or any Exocet application, you probably don't need helpers.
If you run a stiff spring, like a 700# or higher, and you run 4.25" pinch welds or lower like most race-prepped Miatas do, then you have less spring compression and far more available droop travel (as measured from static ride height), you almost certainly need helpers to maintain proper suspension control in droop travel.
If you run a stiff spring, like a 700# or higher, and you run 4.25" pinch welds or lower like most race-prepped Miatas do, then you have less spring compression and far more available droop travel (as measured from static ride height), you almost certainly need helpers to maintain proper suspension control in droop travel.
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