how to get more neg camber in front?
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how to get more neg camber in front?
I'm pretty low; just a little off the bumpstops. I'm only able to get neg 2.6 camber; leaving only 3.8 caster.
What is the preferred method to improve this? I've got some ideas, but I figured I should check here first. 1) move upper wishbone inboard pick-up in? 2) slot and pull the lower ball joint outboard? 3) slot and re-weld the adj ridge for the cam on the lower inner wishbone?
The recent thread in "race prep" featuring the adjustable upper wishbones sure looks nice right now....
What is the preferred method to improve this? I've got some ideas, but I figured I should check here first. 1) move upper wishbone inboard pick-up in? 2) slot and pull the lower ball joint outboard? 3) slot and re-weld the adj ridge for the cam on the lower inner wishbone?
The recent thread in "race prep" featuring the adjustable upper wishbones sure looks nice right now....
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I'm pretty low; just a little off the bumpstops. I'm only able to get neg 2.6 camber; leaving only 3.8 caster.
What is the preferred method to improve this? I've got some ideas, but I figured I should check here first. 1) move upper wishbone inboard pick-up in? 2) slot and pull the lower ball joint outboard? 3) slot and re-weld the adj ridge for the cam on the lower inner wishbone?
The recent thread in "race prep" featuring the adjustable upper wishbones sure looks nice right now....
What is the preferred method to improve this? I've got some ideas, but I figured I should check here first. 1) move upper wishbone inboard pick-up in? 2) slot and pull the lower ball joint outboard? 3) slot and re-weld the adj ridge for the cam on the lower inner wishbone?
The recent thread in "race prep" featuring the adjustable upper wishbones sure looks nice right now....
You should be able to get more caster than that. Caster measurements are not live on most alignment machines. So if you adjusted your camber, and saw low caster, I'm not surprised. It needs re-comped after every adjustment of the front alignment cams.
Why do you want more camber? What are your rear specs? What kind of racing (if any), and with what suspension and tire? Exact ride height can be valuable, but with that camber number I'd guess you're in the 11inch wheel to fender range.
Offset bushings should be your first option; if you don't want any further discussion. Personally, I don't trust slotted ball joints, and I don't think I'd trust it on a race car unless it was a bolt in replacement style, which would fudge up your SAI, etc.
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Edit: this is a legitimate technical question, and you are throwing noise into our signal to noise ratio. Pokemon. Who the **** cares?
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I avoided posting the ISC Delrin Bushings on the basis that I have no personal experience at all with Delrin suspension parts, and have heard anecdotally that they can be needlessly harsh on daily-driver cars. Didn't realize at the time that this was, in fact, because racecar.
Based on that, I tend to agree. The ISC delrin bushings are available in the US, and may very well be more reliable in a race application.
What are your thoughts on ISC's recommendation that their bushings be placed in the upper, rather than the lower front arm?
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It makes perfect sense because they're recommended spherical bearings in the LCA- which is ideal that would compensate for the bind potential you have with delrin when rolling the camber bolts opposite directions.
That said, I have done four Miata racecars with delrin bushings throughout- all used offset LCA bushings and never had any issues. I can only assume that the subframes were very square, and my alignment bolts were rolled similar front and rear for alignment. Fully assembled they had free movement- if you pulled them to full compression and let go they'd fall to full droop (sans coilover of course.)
If somebody is looking for more neg camber up front, just know going into that there is the potential for binding and that you may have to compromise your caster because of it. But in this case at -2.6, I think the gain in the camber would be worth it.
That said, I have done four Miata racecars with delrin bushings throughout- all used offset LCA bushings and never had any issues. I can only assume that the subframes were very square, and my alignment bolts were rolled similar front and rear for alignment. Fully assembled they had free movement- if you pulled them to full compression and let go they'd fall to full droop (sans coilover of course.)
If somebody is looking for more neg camber up front, just know going into that there is the potential for binding and that you may have to compromise your caster because of it. But in this case at -2.6, I think the gain in the camber would be worth it.
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You could just not be an asshat and assume he's asking for no reason. What, is it let's be an ******* week on MT.net? I mean more than usual? Jesus.
Edit: this is a legitimate technical question, and you are throwing noise into our signal to noise ratio. Pokemon. Who the **** cares?
Edit: this is a legitimate technical question, and you are throwing noise into our signal to noise ratio. Pokemon. Who the **** cares?
Helped answer the OP, got to use pokemon gif. Win/Win
He wants to do some wild stuff, when bushings are the first step (although I kind of doubt that caster number he had is right). Without additional information, no one has any idea where to go with suggestions.
So instead of making a big deal about a simple joke..... maybe just link to the original thread where he posted everything? (Not that the OP has any obligation to provide, you know, basic information) Instead, you just bitch and don't really add a whole lot.
Is it ******* week?
EDIT: That's actually a " ", not some sort of backhanded way of calling you an a-hole, just a joke.