Stewart Development revalved Bilstein group buy feeler
02-26-2010, 12:07 PM
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Bernie Stewart
Stewart Development
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High Point, NC 27263
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02-26-2010, 01:41 PM
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you can also convert the stock shocks to be serviceable.
FCM Variant 2 suspension for STR class - MX-5 Miata Forum
FCM Variant 2 suspension for STR class - MX-5 Miata Forum
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02-26-2010, 02:24 PM
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Neo, the purpose of my questioning is not because I want to participate in the group buy ... I'm helping you guys out. 
I've worked with FCM in developing simulations and dyno curves.
Now for my next question:
If you give him your desired curves, will he show individual dyno plots of what he ships you?
I've worked with FCM in developing simulations and dyno curves.Now for my next question:
If you give him your desired curves, will he show individual dyno plots of what he ships you?
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02-26-2010, 02:40 PM
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Neo, the purpose of my questioning is not because I want to participate in the group buy ... I'm helping you guys out. I've worked with FCM in developing simulations and dyno curves.
Now for my next question:
If you give him your desired curves, will he show individual dyno plots of what he ships you?
I've worked with FCM in developing simulations and dyno curves.Now for my next question:
If you give him your desired curves, will he show individual dyno plots of what he ships you?
Having shocks matched to the best theoretical curve you have will be different on almost every car.
Unless you have found a curve from hours of trial an error datalogging with different shock valving, the average joe around here will not benefit from requesting a particular curve. Do not mislead people into thinking that this is what they need.
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02-26-2010, 04:16 PM
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This is getting stupid. I'm not trying to pit FCM and SD against one another.
Having shocks matched to the best theoretical curve you have will be different on almost every car.
Unless you have found a curve from hours of trial an error datalogging with different shock valving, the average joe around here will not benefit from requesting a particular curve. Do not mislead people into thinking that this is what they need.
Having shocks matched to the best theoretical curve you have will be different on almost every car.
Unless you have found a curve from hours of trial an error datalogging with different shock valving, the average joe around here will not benefit from requesting a particular curve. Do not mislead people into thinking that this is what they need.
For those who don't know how to spec curves, I am merely wondering out loud what his recommended curves would be for say:
400/300 lb/in front/rear springs, 2500 lb car with driver.
The reason I wonder out loud, is that I have seen atrocious (IMO) curves designed by supposed hot-**** re-valvers. (Note, maybe this guy does reeeeaaaalllly good stuff, I don't know).
Now before someone crows about his track/racer-customer cred, let me point out the disclaimer that my work with FCM was more for back-road performance (where my own interest lies), than track performance.
edit: Just read Neo's last post. I guess my inputs are not welcome, so I will stay out of this thread.
Goodbye and thanks for all the fish.
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02-26-2010, 04:51 PM
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Touchy, aren't we? I am NOT trying to pit FCM and SD either. IF I were to use his services, I would want to spec the dyno curve and get back actual curves per shock.
For those who don't know how to spec curves, I am merely wondering out loud what his recommended curves would be for say:
400/300 lb/in front/rear springs, 2500 lb car with driver.
The reason I wonder out loud, is that I have seen atrocious (IMO) curves designed by supposed hot-**** re-valvers. (Note, maybe this guy does reeeeaaaalllly good stuff, I don't know).
Now before someone crows about his track/racer-customer cred, let me point out the disclaimer that my work with FCM was more for back-road performance (where my own interest lies), than track performance.
edit: Just read Neo's last post. I guess my inputs are not welcome, so I will stay out of this thread.
Goodbye and thanks for all the fish.
For those who don't know how to spec curves, I am merely wondering out loud what his recommended curves would be for say:
400/300 lb/in front/rear springs, 2500 lb car with driver.
The reason I wonder out loud, is that I have seen atrocious (IMO) curves designed by supposed hot-**** re-valvers. (Note, maybe this guy does reeeeaaaalllly good stuff, I don't know).
Now before someone crows about his track/racer-customer cred, let me point out the disclaimer that my work with FCM was more for back-road performance (where my own interest lies), than track performance.
edit: Just read Neo's last post. I guess my inputs are not welcome, so I will stay out of this thread.
Goodbye and thanks for all the fish.
I just don't want anyone to think that I am trying to start a "who is better" debate between FCM and Stewart Development.
I think they are two knowledgeable top tier groups. SD just happens to be willing to throw us a bone at the moment. I also don't want anyone to shy away because he isn't the "popular kid" in our community when it comes to revalved shocks.
This is a fantastic opportunity for a lot of people. Especially when you don't have the time, skill, and/or equipment to dial in an adjustable setup. You have to know how to drive a track very well to start adjusting suspension based on "feel". Otherwise there are too many other factors that can contribute to ones improvement at the track.
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02-26-2010, 09:51 PM
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shaikh used to send shocks to stewart to have something done he didn't have a tool for. that's why he was only doing certain shocks for re-valves.
sd uses the best part for the job regardless of who it came from. shaikh and bilstein only use bilstein parts designed and using materials that were available 20-30 years ago. without a doubt, you will get the highest quality work and parts in your bilsteins. this has all been discussed in three other threads. buy these or get magic johnson aids. you won't die.......... you'll just have the aids
sd uses the best part for the job regardless of who it came from. shaikh and bilstein only use bilstein parts designed and using materials that were available 20-30 years ago. without a doubt, you will get the highest quality work and parts in your bilsteins. this has all been discussed in three other threads. buy these or get magic johnson aids. you won't die.......... you'll just have the aids
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02-27-2010, 01:09 AM
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Oooo - I would be a huge fan of getting adjustable put in. Guess I'll give the guy a ring. :-) FCM just takes a long time (no longer an issue, I bought another set)... but for what he charges I'm just too paranoid of them coming out wrong. :-) I'll check back next month. :-)
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02-27-2010, 10:44 AM
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Oooo - I would be a huge fan of getting adjustable put in. Guess I'll give the guy a ring. :-) FCM just takes a long time (no longer an issue, I bought another set)... but for what he charges I'm just too paranoid of them coming out wrong. :-) I'll check back next month. :-)
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